Struggling with (some) Hammers

[Shirak]

Hmm, that sounds amazing. I will definitely order this and give it a shot. Since I haven't used this before and want to make sure I have enough on hand - is this typically a full tank treatment product or a dip product? How far does the one bottle go, should I order a second?

Thanks!

It's not a very big bottle but it doesn't seem to take a large amount for dipping. There is a small spoon included. I have mixed up a quart size dip several times and only put a small dent in the powder. Tank treatment might need more? I think the dosage is less though. @VintageReefer might have a better idea how much usage you get out of one bottle.

Sudden decline of healthy corals would scream infection pathogen to me. slow recession tissue loss etc could be a number of different things or a combination but I usually attribute to water parameters, nutrients and light levels. Not necessarily in that order! I think with some corals you can see when there is an issue like plates or elegance where the edge of the tissue is often visible on the skeleton. Euphyllia not so much because the tissue around the outside of the skeleton is often hidden below the expanded polyp. They can be receding and look perfectly healthy. Until one day they don't.

 

[VintageReefer]

It's not a very big bottle but it doesn't seem to take a large amount for dipping. There is a small spoon included. I have mixed up a quart size dip several times and only put a small dent in the powder. Tank treatment might need more? I think the dosage is less though. @VintageReefer might have a better idea how much usage you get out of one bottle.

Sudden decline of healthy corals would scream infection pathogen to me. slow recession tissue loss etc could be a number of different things or a combination but I usually attribute to water parameters, nutrients and light levels. Not necessarily in that order! I think with some corals you can see when there is an issue like plates or elegance where the edge of the tissue is often visible on the skeleton. Euphyllia not so much because the tissue around the outside of the skeleton is often hidden below the expanded polyp. They can be receding and look perfectly healthy. Until one day they don't.

Full tank treatment is 1 scoop per 25g
Daily for 3-5 day I think

Its lower concentration than the dip but for longer duration. Remove carbon and any media like that so it’s not removed from the system

 

[VintageReefer]

It’s a small jar but you’ll get many uses out of it.

Needs to be refrigerated

 

[Enad]

Full tank treatment is 1 scoop per 25g
Daily for 3-5 day I think

Its lower concentration than the dip but for longer duration. Remove carbon and any media like that so it’s not removed from the system

Appreciate the help here. Any insight as to what is in this product? I fully trust you and the others here who have had success with it, but I'm curious what I'll be putting into my tank.

Thanks!

 

[VintageReefer]

Appreciate the help here. Any insight as to what is in this product? I fully trust you and the others here who have had success with it, but I'm curious what I'll be putting into my tank.

Thanks!

CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION

JOKER CORALS and Coral Surprise Present CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION is a fish-safe and reef-safe medicine designed to treat coral infections, such as Brown Jelly Disease, bleaching, receding flesh, and more. Coral Surprise is a biomedical company registered in Asia...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Enad]

CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION

JOKER CORALS and Coral Surprise Present CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION is a fish-safe and reef-safe medicine designed to treat coral infections, such as Brown Jelly Disease, bleaching, receding flesh, and more. Coral Surprise is a biomedical company registered in Asia...

www.reef2reef.com

Amazing - thank you!!

 

[Enad]

CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION

JOKER CORALS and Coral Surprise Present CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION CORAL INFECTION ELIMINATION is a fish-safe and reef-safe medicine designed to treat coral infections, such as Brown Jelly Disease, bleaching, receding flesh, and more. Coral Surprise is a biomedical company registered in Asia...

www.reef2reef.com

I was digging around this thread and didn't see anyone ask about inverts - do you know if this is safe for inverts when doing a full tank treatment?

Appreciate the help.

 

[VintageReefer]

I was digging around this thread and didn't see anyone ask about inverts - do you know if this is safe for inverts when doing a full tank treatment?

Appreciate the help.

It’s invert safe

 

[Enad]

Just updating that I was finally able to get my hands on some Cipro and have begun the KFC Full Tank Treatment.

I bought two bottles of the Coral Infection Eliminator and was using that prior to the Cirpo arriving. I was doing a full tank treatment as well as dipping my most effected corals, the Hammer colony and Lemon Drop Elegance.

The hammer colony in particular was showing great results after 3 days and was opening pretty big but after the 4th dip/4th day of full tank treatment, almost all my hammers started to look pretty bad. No tissue loss, but they just weren't opening nearly as big as they typically do. Thankfully the next day(yesterday), the cipro arrived and so I'm doing that treatment now.

Most of my Hammers still look pretty poor right now, but hopefully this treatment will solve whatever is happening.

I tested my parameters again and my Nitrates/Phos seem high, especially Phos but I'm still skeptical on my Hanna Checkers reading, but I have nothing else to compare it to.

Alk - 8.4
Mag - 1600
Cal - 440

Nitrate - 45.5 (I'm typically around ~25 but I've been at 50 in the past and it's never posed an issue, especially for Fimbriaphyllia and other LPS)
Phos - 0.90 (this is the highest I've ever seen it read, it's typically in the .40 or .50 range, which already seems high but this is what's it's already read as on my Hannah Checker)

Regardless of the accuracy of the reading, my phosphates clearly seem elevated from the norm. Any shot this could be affecting a select few Hammers and other LPS? I've never had water quality issues effect corals so selectively, usually I see nearly all my corals unhappy when something is wrong with parameters.

@VintageReefer - Is it possible the Coral Infection Eliminator spiked my phos or nitrate at all? It's just strange that things seemed to be improving on the third day, then come the 4th day most of the hammers seemed to take a turn, or at the very least not look as good as usual.


I'll continue to update after I finish this KFC Treatment. Any further insights would be greatly appreciated.

 

[VintageReefer]

Just updating that I was finally able to get my hands on some Cipro and have begun the KFC Full Tank Treatment.

I bought two bottles of the Coral Infection Eliminator and was using that prior to the Cirpo arriving. I was doing a full tank treatment as well as dipping my most effected corals, the Hammer colony and Lemon Drop Elegance.

The hammer colony in particular was showing great results after 3 days and was opening pretty big but after the 4th dip/4th day of full tank treatment, almost all my hammers started to look pretty bad. No tissue loss, but they just weren't opening nearly as big as they typically do. Thankfully the next day(yesterday), the cipro arrived and so I'm doing that treatment now.

Most of my Hammers still look pretty poor right now, but hopefully this treatment will solve whatever is happening.

I tested my parameters again and my Nitrates/Phos seem high, especially Phos but I'm still skeptical on my Hanna Checkers reading, but I have nothing else to compare it to.

Alk - 8.4
Mag - 1600
Cal - 440

Nitrate - 45.5 (I'm typically around ~25 but I've been at 50 in the past and it's never posed an issue, especially for Fimbriaphyllia and other LPS)
Phos - 0.90 (this is the highest I've ever seen it read, it's typically in the .40 or .50 range, which already seems high but this is what's it's already read as on my Hannah Checker)

Regardless of the accuracy of the reading, my phosphates clearly seem elevated from the norm. Any shot this could be affecting a select few Hammers and other LPS? I've never had water quality issues effect corals so selectively, usually I see nearly all my corals unhappy when something is wrong with parameters.

@VintageReefer - Is it possible the Coral Infection Eliminator spiked my phos or nitrate at all? It's just strange that things seemed to be improving on the third day, then come the 4th day most of the hammers seemed to take a turn, or at the very least not look as good as usual.


I'll continue to update after I finish this KFC Treatment. Any further insights would be greatly appreciated.

I do not believe the CIE would not be a factor in the nitrates or phosphate

 

[Enad]

Posting another update here. I've completed 5 days of the KFC treatment and sadly things still have not taken a turn for the better. I'm now on day 2 of 'Recovery' and I just lost my beautiful Lemon Drop Elegance and all of the Hammers still look miserable.

I'm trying to think of other possibilities here. My parameters(that I can test for) are perfect outside of slightly elevated nutrients, which wouldn't cause issues like this.

I'm going to get an ICP test done as it seems necessary at this point.

I'm trying to think of odd ball scenarios that could cause something like this and would really love some more thoughts.

Is this something stray voltage could cause? Selective coral loss?


Any help would be appreciated!