TOS Question: ChatGPT

[Fish Fan]

In fact, chatGPT knows @BeanAnimal and recognizes him as an expert.

Do you know who he is? Because this is a reefer I've been looking up to for pushing 20 years now. Just sayin' :-)

 

[Matt L]

Well, chatgpt won me over :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing: :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing: :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing:

Lol! Yeah, I didn’t agree with what it said about me. It assumed reaction scores and rate of participation as a means of worth. I talked it down as much as I could until I just closed the chat.

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

Ok, true story and somewhat related….kinda. I have very little vision, and what I do have is pretty worthless. One day last year I was taking the trash from my kitchen bin out to the bin in the backyard. It’s the desert southwest so shorts and flip flops was the attire of the day. Halfway to the trash can and….squish….i immediately thought I stepped in a somewhat fresh present left by my dog. Well, that was right up until I felt it slither across my other foot. Now, I’m usually not one to panic but I have a dog that freely goes in and out and I was a day or two away from having a bunch of other dogs over for a week while family was going on vacay. Not being able to see, I was in a bit of a panic about the dogs getting bit by a rattlesnake. I reached for my phone to try and get a pic and call a neighbor for help in removing the snake. Unbeknownst to me Ai was just released for the camera (I already use voice over which reads everything aloud for me so that I can operate a phone). The phone camera automatically, using Ai, (without even actually taking a picture, the camera was on and I was just panning around frantically) said something to the effect of “this looks like a southwest gopher snake. It is not venomous.it is often confused with a rattlesnake but does not have a pit viper head or rattle. It is considered to be beneficial and will keep rodents away from you yard”. With that, who here (wearing a blindfold and not able to visually confirm this on their own) would reach down and pick up said snake based solely on Ai? Not me! I got help and we tossed that thing back in the desert.

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

Lol! Yeah, I didn’t agree with what it said about me. It assumed reaction scores and rate of participation as a means of worth. I talked it down as much as I could until I just closed the chat.

Ha! Truth

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

Do you know who he is? Because this is a reefer I've been looking up to for pushing 20 years now. Just sayin' :)

Maybe ChatGPT likes bacon, skateboarding, and is an audiophile? Ha

 

[Fish Fan]

Maybe ChatGPT likes bacon, skateboarding, and is an audiophile? Ha

I mean, who doesn't!

 

[sixty_reefer]

I wish to be clear here.

AI or not, you have repeatedly demonstrated an overwhelming lack of understanding of the topics you speak with authority on and use ridiculous tactics to avoid being seen as "wrong".

I don't care if you use AI or not, and as insanely wrong as you often are, I would not dream of having this forum prevent you from posting your thoughts or opinions or have your discussions "stopped" as long as you respond within the TOS.

You are not a victim here.

Could you expand on that?

 

[Nonya]

Funny how the anonymity of the Internet makes people go bonkers online, when they'd never be so bold as to have these kinds of interactions face-to-face.

 

[mizimmer90]

That is not my fear. I don't care about being replaced. I just don't care to be exposed to AI generated drivel in a venue like this. It is that simple. If I want AI's input, I will go seek it.


Thank you, but a large part of what I do for a living is "write code". I started with Fortran and COBOL and VAX/VMS assembler in the 80's -- moved on to C and C++ and the various flavors of .NET dialects of C, Java and Basic and spent a year or two wandering through PERL for large transaction processing scripts and now deal with various frameworks, primarily PHP and a bit of python and unfortunately have to be fluent in a few proprietary languages as well.

"Faster" is ambiguous and requires context. I know both how to code and how to use the various AI tools available, and do use them. They have their place, but in general AI makes a steaming mess of "code" and can't be trusted. It requires an insane amount of oversight, proofreading and coaxing to keep on track, and that is often harder work than writing the code in the first place. So yes, it can "type" far faster and spit out raw code blocks faster, but quickly becomes lost in its own weeds. Moreover, if you or your team don't write the code, you have no chance of understanding, extending, debugging or migrating it and are left trusting the AI that messed it up in the first place.



If you were aware of me, then you would not suggest that I am a luddite, let alone simply because I don't agree with your take on AI or want to interact with it on a reefing forum.


That petty much says it all... no thank you.

To be clear, I do not think you are a luddite. I think your view on AI is that of a luddite lol. My position is that AI has a lot of value and that incorporation of various features (ranging from summaries to one that just cites your position on reef tech or bacon ;) ) could be valuable.

I also code every day. I've coded in assembly, C, C++, but am primarily in python. I'm a scientific programmer doing research and often need to think of new and complex algorithms. ChatGPT is an incredible sounding board and can oftentimes fully write me a new function or routine that I didn't feel like doing myself. If abstracted properly, tests and incorporation into a package are trivial. I've seen someone write a quantum simulation of electron particles diffracting off of a crystal solid (with full gui and visualizations!) in under an hour.

 

[AKReefing]

I asked ChatGPT the same question about my user name. I didn't know AI could laugh so hard.

 

[mizimmer90]

Why read and think for ourselves when we can have AI do it for us?

No thanks.

It's about speed and efficiency. AI is a tool not a replacement. If you use it properly, you will read, think, and understand even more! How cool to use it to find the important threads, or summarize the arguments being made for those who don't understand the context/background.

 

[Bitter old man]

Rev and other moderators would do the vetting. It would be done by committee.

Those selected would be clearly identified with a "verification" on their profile.

New people would easily be able to identify more reliable sources of info.

No thank you!

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

But I still maintain that the real use is in summarizing and consolidating text/meaning.

Then use AI to summarize as much of R2R as you want for your own use... just don't copy and paste it into a thread!

 

[AKReefing]

It's about speed and efficiency. AI is a tool not a replacement. If you use it properly, you will read, think, and understand even more! How cool to use it to find the important threads, or summarize the arguments being made for those who don't understand the context/background.

And it's about being lazy. No thanks.

 

[mizimmer90]

Then use AI to summarize as my h of R2R as you want for your own use... just don't copy and paste it into a thread!

We're in agreement on that one!

Tbh i jumped into this discussion because I saw a lot of anti AI discussion and wanted to preach some of the better use cases. Personally I'd love to see these AI agent features incorporated into reef2reef and don't want public opinion to slip due to a misunderstanding of the value added.

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

Personally I'd love to see these AI agent features incorporated into reef2reef

You are, thankfully, in the minority.

 

[mizimmer90]

And it's about being lazy. No thanks.

Do you think search features in PDFs are being lazy? Is googling something over going to the library and finding a book on a shelf being lazy? These are convenience features to abstract away the fluff so we can focus on the real thinking.

 

[mizimmer90]

You are, thankfully, in the minority.

Unclear if that is true. I think there is a very small group of people that are very vocal but I would hesitate to extrapolate to say this is the position of everyone on this site.

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

Unclear if that is true. I think there is a very small group of people that are very vocal but I would hesitate to extrapolate to say this is the position of everyone on this site.

I suppose you also prefer trailers over movies... some of us actually appreciate following a thread and reading all the info posted. That's kind of what a forum is all about (as opposed to a reference site)

 

[exnisstech]

Why read and think for ourselves when we can have AI do it for us?

No thanks.

Isn't that the plan? I've seen enough science fiction come true in my lifetime this is actually a bit scary.