Velvet Outbreak Help

[azreef729]

Had velvet come in on a white tail bristletooth a couple weeks ago, the fish passed a few days ago and now my Tomini tang and two ocellaris clowns are showing signs. I have decided to use polyp labs medic to treat in tank with corals and inverts due to not have a proper qt tank set up. The tang is eating and acting fairly normal, the clowns aren’t eating much and hiding more.

The problem is I now have a new tank I am setting up that is ready to go, but not sure on what I should do in terms of transferring and treating everything. Do I transfer all my rock and coral to the new tank and treat the current tank with fish as a hospital tank?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Had velvet come in on a white tail bristletooth a couple weeks ago, the fish passed a few days ago and now my Tomini tang and two ocellaris clowns are showing signs. I have decided to use polyp labs medic to treat in tank with corals and inverts due to not have a proper qt tank set up. The tang is eating and acting fairly normal, the clowns aren’t eating much and hiding more.

The problem is I now have a new tank I am setting up that is ready to go, but not sure on what I should do in terms of transferring and treating everything. Do I transfer all my rock and coral to the new tank and treat the current tank with fish as a hospital tank?

Please post pics under white lighting, no blue to best assess

 

[azreef729]

Please post pics under white lighting, no blue to best assess

I have confirmed it’s velvet. Just kind of figuring the best route to go with this between the two tanks and treating.

 

[christinna77]

Please post pics under white lighting, no blue to best assess

I have confirmed it’s velvet. Just kind of figuring the best route to go with this between the two tanks and treating.

Severe case of ich is more often than not diagnosed as velvet. With true velvet, all your fish would be probably gone by now, mostly only presenting with rapid breathing. The fact they're eating also strongly points to ich rather than velvet, hence the need for the video for confirmation.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I have confirmed it’s velvet. Just kind of figuring the best route to go with this between the two tanks and treating.

Ich and velvet treat the same but I have seen these diagnosed. If velvet or ich, you will need to place fish in Quarantine tank and treat with Coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25 for a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored with a Hanna Brand copper test kit- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone. All other fish in with it should also be removed as they have also been exposed to the issue and placed in quarantine tank.
The display tank will have to be kept fishless (FALLOW) for 5-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off. Inverts and coral can remain in the display (not treatment) tank during fallow period.

 

[azreef729]

Here is a video, the tang and two clowns are both trying to stay in the flow. Tang is hard to get a capture of, but the clowns seem to have the worse of it.

 

[azreef729]

Ich and velvet treat the same but I have seen these diagnosed. If velvet or ich, you will need to place fish in Quarantine tank and treat with Coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25 for a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored with a Hanna Brand copper test kit- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone. All other fish in with it should also be removed as they have also been exposed to the issue and placed in quarantine tank.
The display tank will have to be kept fishless (FALLOW) for 5-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off. Inverts and coral can remain in the display (not treatment) tank during fallow period.

I am in the middle of switching tanks, so this happened at a horrible time. Would I be ok to put my rock and coral into my new tank and then setting up a qt tank for the fish. Or should I try to avoid putting rock and coral from this tank into the new one?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I am in the middle of switching tanks, so this happened at a horrible time. Would I be ok to put my rock and coral into my new tank and then setting up a qt tank for the fish. Or should I try to avoid putting rock and coral from this tank into the new one?

Yes, rock in a separate (preferably intended display tank) and separate quarantine tank for the fish

 

[azreef729]

Yes, rock in a separate (preferably intended display tank) and separate quarantine tank for the fish

The rock and corals will be ok to add new fish I have currently qting with the new tank?

 

[Mebbid]

The rock and corals will be ok to add new fish I have currently qting with the new tank?

Everything that was exposed to velvet like rock and substrate need a fallow (fishless) period of an absolute minimum of 42 days. Its recommended to do up to 72 days to be safe and that long of a period will remove ich as well.

 

[vetteguy53081]

The rock and corals will be ok to add new fish I have currently qting with the new tank?

Place rocks and coral in a separate tank intended for new display only and treat all fish in a separate tank or container for treatment only - No rock which is absorbent. Add no fish to rock and coral tank for at least 45-60 days as rock may be infected with parasite which again will die off without presence of any fish

 

[vetteguy53081]

Everything that was exposed to velvet like rock and substrate need a fallow (fishless) period of an absolute minimum of 42 days. Its recommended to do up to 72 days to be safe and that long of a period will remove ich as well.

Minimum of 45 days and now 60 not 72 days- that was an old rule

 

[W31Olds]

I have confirmed it’s velvet. Just kind of figuring the best route to go with this between the two tanks and treating.

Az, may I ask how you confirmed that you have Velvet? I ask because after viewing your Video, I'm not convinced this is Velvet. Velvet hits hard and fast and Polyp Labs Medic will not treat it effectively. If it is Velvet, you must get them in Copper quickly.
@Jay Hemdal

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I have confirmed it’s velvet. Just kind of figuring the best route to go with this between the two tanks and treating.

We always try to confirm “velvet” diagnoses as many people confuse it with other diseases and true velvet is rather rare.

Basically, Amyloodinium/velvet will cause extreme rapid breathing, not eating and sometimes hanging in water currents. You won’t see any skin changes until the very end of the infection. Fish loss is seen within about 3 days of the start of symptoms.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Here is a video, the tang and two clowns are both trying to stay in the flow. Tang is hard to get a capture of, but the clowns seem to have the worse of it.

The clowns could have Brooklynella. How long have they looked like this?
What other fish are showing rapid breathing?
Are any fish not feeding?

 

[azreef729]

We always try to confirm “velvet” diagnoses as many people confuse it with other diseases and true velvet is rather rare.

Basically, Amyloodinium/velvet will cause extreme rapid breathing, not eating and sometimes hanging in water currents. You won’t see any skin changes until the very end of the infection. Fish loss is seen within about 3 days of the start of symptoms.

i was thinking the tall tale sign was the fish swimming in the current, one of the clown fish seems to be trying to hide from light, The mucus layers on the clown fish. The tang has some white spots but skin looks overall ok and is eating normally. I have two wrasses and 2 Banggai cardinals that are showing no signs and eating normally. The clowns are breathing rapidly and chasing each other. They normally are just in their corner minding their own business.

 

[azreef729]

The clowns could have Brooklynella. How long have they looked like this?
What other fish are showing rapid breathing?
Are any fish not feeding?

I went on vacation for 4 days and came back to them looking like this. I’ve been home since Friday and they have looked like this since then.

 

[azreef729]

This is one of the clown fish currently. Not looking good.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

This is one of the clown fish currently. Not looking good.

That does look more like velvet than brook now, but it’s really strange that only the clowns are showing major symptoms (Brook hits clowns over other fish, but velvet infects all fish really).

As far as a treatment, I’m not sure how to direct you since the diagnosis is kind of open.

You could try a hydrogen peroxide dip on the clowns to see if it gives temporary relief and buy you some time. 3 ml of 3% hydrogen peroxide in one gallon of seawater for 15 minutes……

 

[W31Olds]

When I looked at the first Video with the excess Mucus, Brook came to mind. Could it be that the strong flow in the last Video is helping to shed the Mucus? And I agree that all fish would be in distress. I would go with a dip.