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Me wanting to see numbers from SBreef light is just to but a end to the argument.
what argument? i guess i dont follow whatever point is in contention.
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Me wanting to see numbers from SBreef light is just to but a end to the argument.
Since that post is tied to my quote I'll expound on what I meant by my original comment...Judging people by the lights they use?
what argument? i guess i dont follow whatever point is in contention.
I've yet to see anyone bashing any type of light without a valid point. In my perspective bashing an expensive light for the sake of bashing for example would look something like, "Radions totally not worth the money because of the black plastic they use."(smh head as I write this).Those that want to bash "expensive" lights for the sake of bashing
The numbers represented in the video were fine but do not represent black boxes as a whole.those that will defend their lighting choice no matter what the numbers say
That fits both sides of the spectrum. Those that take this black box in the video as a representation for all black boxes. Those that don't understand lens swaps. Then the other side more or less approves the par, spread and spectrum of the XR30 but cannot justify it in there wallets to purchase one.those that can't look at facts since it doesn't fit their agenda
It's not that serious. Is it?That tends to show me who I can trust on forums.
27 years of setting lights over things says no.Back room banter with most manufacturers is mount as close as possible and adjust output.
We should hang out. Only one I don't have is the Radion. Yet..I want to clear up some misunderstandings. I have Radion , AI, Maxspect, blackboxes.
Along with MH and t5.
I study these things lol.
Don't waste your time. I like a 14k look and radions look like trash at those settings.We should hang out. Only one I don't have is the Radion. Yet..
Lol. I def didn't say I was going to put it on my tank!!!Don't waste your time. I like a 14k look and radions look like trash at those settings.
Lol. I def didn't say I was going to put it on my tank!!!
Hahaha.
I've actually never seen one in person set to a nice daily viewing color. It's always the just blue thing.
Me either. Big sweet display and a non button pusher infigure. But there's no accounting for taste.I don't get it. Most of my SPS looks best at like 12-14k. Even the orange passion is a stunner under a white setting.
I like the concepts behind the panel design because it is most similar to the distribution of the historically best-performing light sources like T5's and large reflector Halides. It's just my opinion but I think once the community sees the data and supporting results behind large pannel diffused LED's we will transition from a world where LEDs are trying to be "as good" as T5 and halides and finally surpass performance on all fronts : )
I think a lot of the infighting that seems to be going on in this thread about all of the lights is forgetting a few very simple things:
1. Dana Riddle's MACNA presentation about par break points
2. Hitting the proper spectrums for all the Zoos.
We know 150-300 PAR seems to be ideal for MOST corals. At least a very few many. Dana has proven that.
What we don't know is what the exact spectrum are that we need in combination with 150-300 PAR. We can take some really good guesses based on Chloro uptakes, but all 150-300 PAR is not created equal. We have some really really good ideas, but until we can fill a fixture with chips of 400, 410, 420, 430.....640, 650, 660...etc we're still going to be forced to use something to compensate for the gaps in spectrum coverage. We're learning more and more and I think the BRS videos have the most value in showing us spectrum and blending. Outside of those two, I think we all agree we can get to 150-300 Par with most any LED box over 150W.
+1. THAT info might save me from finally upgrading to more than my $12 spectrometer.with each individual controllable channel at 100% and the rest at 0? I think that would give us a TON of useful information.
That's been the secret to my success lately. Good cheap spectrum and a cheap meter to set it. Then just watch the corals.I was originally going to post exactly this^, @Amoo beat me to it, but I got worked up over the statements of fire and failure without some statistical reference that can be prused over. I hate anecdotal statements of quality! (And not because I own these lights)
Agreed, 150-300 par seems the sweet spot for most corals, especially non ULNS systems. I think most led manufacturers have had enough time to refine their research to come close to the idea spectrum range. Most have.
What assembled? They are made in China and that is it.