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Ive been feeding Goldfish to my large Grouper, 17”, and now have set up a holding tank next to the Grouper tank.
I’m asking, what’s worse? Feeding the Goldfish to fatten them up for slaughter, or letting the Grouper salivate watching her next meal?
 
What’s worse??? Besides slowly killing the grouper from only feeding it goldfish?? Not healthy my friend I would avoid goldfish. But anyways you should post pictures of this Fish... 17” holy smokes how long have you had it?? What’s his tank mates??
 
91E34944-5563-4DA0-9DFC-821DD34ECBDA.jpeg I’ve had her for 1 1/2 yrs
Presently, there’s 2 Tiger Toadfish, 5 Queen Conchs, a Blue Claw Crab, and the Grouper.
The best live foods during the winter are goldfish, but during the summer I catch plenty of shrimp, minnows, spearing, crabs, as well as other snails that well eat, and then be eaten. I’ve tried to create a complete Eco-system with sponges, fish, and inverts. But No corals, heater, sump, skimmer, ATO, or any special lighting. I started with a Black Seahorse and Bay Scallops, and that pony lived 2 1/2 yrs.
 
Just feed it a diverse diet of sea food. They eat just about anything.
 
Yes, a type of Grouper , exactly
A very fast grower, over 15” in a year, started at 2”.
Believe me this fish eats well, clams, squid, Killiefish. She can eat 20 goldfish in 5 min. But now she’s inhaling one at a time, scaling the goldfish and letting it go. I’m trying to get this behavior on video. Extremely interesting!
 
Man that fish looks like he wants to eat you!! Are the eyes really that blue?? That’s is a cool looking Grouper what size tank do you have him in to grow like that in one year??? Good job
 
Man that fish looks like he wants to eat you!! Are the eyes really that blue?? That’s is a cool looking Grouper what size tank do you have him in to grow like that in one year??? Good job
That’s a 60 gal. But I use just Bay Water, and I don’t filter it. This spring I’m going to release her..........and introduce her to a Striped Bass. If I released this fish now the seals would eat her.
 
That’s a 60 gal. But I use just Bay Water, and I don’t filter it. This spring I’m going to release her..........and introduce her to a Striped Bass. If I released this fish now the seals would eat her.
Goldfish are the worst possible thing you can be using as a feeder fish. they are super fatty and contain a chemical known to deplete thiamin in fish. Also, you shouldnt be releasing aquarium fish into the wild. Is it at least a native species to the area you're planning on releasing it into?
 
Goldfish are the worst possible thing you can be using as a feeder fish. they are super fatty and contain a chemical known to deplete thiamin in fish. Also, you shouldnt be releasing aquarium fish into the wild. Is it at least a native species to the area you're planning on releasing it into?
If anything non native has even been in the tank, you shouldn't release it back into your local habitat. You could possibly release invasive pathogens, algae, disease, etc.
 
If anything non native has even been in the tank, you shouldn't release it back into your local habitat. You could possibly release invasive pathogens, algae, disease, etc.
+1. This is definitely a super important point. Just to add on to this, you're feeding your grouper goldfish which could have pathogens themselves and you're not only exposing your grouper to those pathogens but the rest of the fish that will ever come into contact with your grouper. This is not a smart move my friend. There's a reason why some states/countries outright ban the sale of certain fish species altogether. Like the snakehead. People think theyre cool until theyre dealing with a 3 foot beast that eats everything in the tank. then they dump it in a lake and BOOM! Invasive species epidemic.

If you do plan on ignoring advice and release the fish back into the wild you should at least quarantine her with some meds to minimize introducing invasive pathogens into the wild.
 
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655A8972-D3B7-48EE-B0BC-33E9958EB625.jpeg Just a update.........I have 2 North Atlantic Oysterfish or Tiger Toadfish. Never saw these guys in 1 1/2 yrs until now. They usually never leave their hiding spots under shells and rocks. I collected both at 4-5” . Any one want a beautiful fish. Predator fish tank only, all others may be eaten, but will live peacefully with larger fish. Pm only
 
Goldfish are the worst possible thing you can be using as a feeder fish. they are super fatty and contain a chemical known to deplete thiamin in fish. Also, you shouldnt be releasing aquarium fish into the wild. Is it at least a native species to the area you're planning on releasing it into?
If anything non native has even been in the tank, you shouldn't release it back into your local habitat. You could possibly release invasive pathogens, algae, disease, etc.
Well, of course, it’s a native fish, and I use native water, and native food when available. As far as the goldfish, large predator fish love live bait, goldfish is the best I could do at $35.00/100. Using freshwater fish to feed saltwater is controls contamination..
As far as releasing invasive pathogens, your kidding right?
 
Well, of course, it’s a native fish, and I use native water, and native food when available. As far as the goldfish, large predator fish love live bait, goldfish is the best I could do at $35.00/100. Using freshwater fish to feed saltwater is controls contamination..
As far as releasing invasive pathogens, your kidding right?
https://invasives.org.au/projects/pathogens/

http://harvardforest.fas.harvard.ed...h-topics/invasive-plants-pests-and-pathogens

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4391917/
 
reefer Bob has a point Black Sea bass is tasty !. As for feeding goldfish with possible pathogens? I wonder if fresh water pathogens can live in saltwater? If Tautog captured the fish in local waters, & it wasn't exposed to other salter fish from another ocean. It should be Ok to release. heres the record Atlantic Black sea bass Also the toadfish is cool !
http://wrec.igfa.org/WRecordsList.aspx?lc=AllTackle&cn=Bass, black sea
 
reefer Bob has a point Black Sea bass is tasty !. As for feeding goldfish with possible pathogens? I wonder if fresh water pathogens can live in saltwater? If Tautog captured the fish in local waters, & it wasn't exposed to other salter fish from another ocean. It should be Ok to release. heres the record Atlantic Black sea bass Also the toadfish is cool !
http://wrec.igfa.org/WRecordsList.aspx?lc=AllTackle&cn=Bass, black sea

It's not really just about the goldfish, its about had the liverock, for instance, been in a non native system. OP also mentioned feeding clams and squid, where did those come from? Or anything else wet that went in... We really know so little about what bacteria, viruses, etc are lurking in our marine tanks and how easy or difficult it is to move them from tank to tank in our houses, let alone releasing back into nature. But we can look at the disease forum to see how things like ich and velvet can hitchhike in without adding a fish, to see how it could happen.
That's my 2 cents anyway..
 

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