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I have often read of people criticising one skimmer or another for causing a flood or overflowing their skimmer cup resulting in wet floors or skimmate dumped into the sump.

I must have owned 20 skimmers in my 35 years plus of reefkeeping from nano to medium size skimmers ( have never owned anything bigger than my current Nyos 160 apart from an early Tunze skimmer ) Each one of these would periodically overflow their collection cup. This morning I came into my living room to find my Nyos 160 skimmer cup overflowing which happens on a regular basis, I would say on average about once a month. The rest of the time it performs faultlessly.

IMO this is the result of natural occurrences within my tank and not the fault of the skimmer. Why should it be the fault of my skimmer after all it more or less performs consistently the rest of the time. The cause is a shift in surface tension within the tank water IMO with a change in that tension occurring always in my case at night so why and why would I blame my skimmer? IMO something is happening in my tank late at night and I suspect that happening is a spawning of fish or coral or other.

When your aquarium conditions are right such spawnings are almost inevitable and so they should be. Skimmers do not skim in fresh water (well OK some specially made for freshwater may do but very few) as the water is not dense enough to create bubbles small enough to make the foam required. Alter the water tension in our tanks and we will get an alteration in foam production resulting in more or less skimmate.

Alterations in salinity will also result in an alteration in foam production due to thicker/heavier water. Changing filter socks, feeding and even just putting your hands in the aquarium may all result in a change in skimmate production. Now I am no expert in protein skimmers but I do know when a previously fine working skimmer all of a sudden goes crazy it is unlikely to be the fault of the skimmer but a result of a change in surface tension between the water and the bubbles produced.

I have no doubt some skimmers maybe more prone to over production than others to some extent but I believe many people are barking up the wrong tree blaming their skimmer for such an occurrence. Another reason why your skimmer might be more prone to over production of skimmate is how you have you skimmer dialled in. I tend towards slightly wet skimming with my skimmer and so when something occurs in my aquarium to alter the waters tension it is perhaps more prone to cause a cup overflow of skimmate.

These are just my thoughts and experiences on why a skimmer might all of a sudden overflow the cup based on all the years I have been using protein skimmers and I am sure others will say a certain skimmer would overflow regular but when they bought X brand skimmer it didn't happen anymore. However IME all skimmers have the ability to overflow that is unless of course you have it permanently drained into something which can produce it;s own problems like a reduction in salinity when employing an ATU on the tank.
 

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We often "blame" so many other people and things about everything that goes wrong when all the while all we need to do is take a look in the mirror!
 

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Sorry couldn't help myself...

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Of course some skimmers may well be more prone to hyperdrive. But when notthing changes with it and it over fills the cup often there must be other things influencing the skimmate production.
 

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Guess it's the reefers responsibility to position the skimmer in a way where if it was to overflow it'll do so in the sump and no water would drip out. Also making sure that water level in partition where skimmer is does not fluctuate or to have the return pump and skimmer go off together or return is shut (controller or same outlet for both) and that skimmer is on a delay so water level in sump is back to normal before skimmer kicks in.
Some skimmers do have some overflow prevention mechanisms so that it'll stop itself if it does overflow.
 

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I do not understand putting all your eggs in one basket protein skimmers just one component of making a healthy reef system. I have nyos 300 which is oversize.
 

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There are many things which can make a skimmer go nuts.

Hydrophobic/hydrophillic organics
Faulty motor
Clogged impellor
Salinity
Spawning events

I love skimmers when they work properly though
 

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I think the tunze has an auto adjustment feature.

I run mine with a connection to an avast marine skimate locker and a pressure switch to shut it down once it fills the 1.5 gallon locker.
 

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I have often read of people criticising one skimmer or another for causing a flood or overflowing their skimmer cup resulting in wet floors or skimmate dumped into the sump.

I must have owned 20 skimmers in my 35 years plus of reefkeeping from nano to medium size skimmers ( have never owned anything bigger than my current Nyos 160 apart from an early Tunze skimmer ) Each one of these would periodically overflow their collection cup. This morning I came into my living room to find my Nyos 160 skimmer cup overflowing which happens on a regular basis, I would say on average about once a month. The rest of the time it performs faultlessly.

IMO this is the result of natural occurrences within my tank and not the fault of the skimmer. Why should it be the fault of my skimmer after all it more or less performs consistently the rest of the time. The cause is a shift in surface tension within the tank water IMO with a change in that tension occurring always in my case at night so why and why would I blame my skimmer? IMO something is happening in my tank late at night and I suspect that happening is a spawning of fish or coral or other.

When your aquarium conditions are right such spawnings are almost inevitable and so they should be. Skimmers do not skim in fresh water (well OK some specially made for freshwater may do but very few) as the water is not dense enough to create bubbles small enough to make the foam required. Alter the water tension in our tanks and we will get an alteration in foam production resulting in more or less skimmate.

Alterations in salinity will also result in an alteration in foam production due to thicker/heavier water. Changing filter socks, feeding and even just putting your hands in the aquarium may all result in a change in skimmate production. Now I am no expert in protein skimmers but I do know when a previously fine working skimmer all of a sudden goes crazy it is unlikely to be the fault of the skimmer but a result of a change in surface tension between the water and the bubbles produced.

I have no doubt some skimmers maybe more prone to over production than others to some extent but I believe many people are barking up the wrong tree blaming their skimmer for such an occurrence. Another reason why your skimmer might be more prone to over production of skimmate is how you have you skimmer dialled in. I tend towards slightly wet skimming with my skimmer and so when something occurs in my aquarium to alter the waters tension it is perhaps more prone to cause a cup overflow of skimmate.

These are just my thoughts and experiences on why a skimmer might all of a sudden overflow the cup based on all the years I have been using protein skimmers and I am sure others will say a certain skimmer would overflow regular but when they bought X brand skimmer it didn't happen anymore. However IME all skimmers have the ability to overflow that is unless of course you have it permanently drained into something which can produce it;s own problems like a reduction in salinity when employing an ATU on the tank.
My Skimmer is SRO 3000int with a neck extension and a 6" Waste Collector w/automatic shut off. What you have described is exactly what happens with my setup every so often (not exactly sure how much time between over production episodes, I'm thinking I should document when it happens). It always happens at night after lights out and leaves me baffled as to why. Nothing changes after lights out, mechanically speaking, but in the morning the waste collector will be full and the Skimmer off. I'm thankful for the Waste Collector having a automatic shut off, it has saved me every time.
Your post gives me some thoughts as to why this is occurring.
 

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You can also just drill a small hole in the top of a skimmer collection cup and put in a float switch connected to a controller.

I like the extra volume of a skimmate collector tbough.

Ive even seen people comnect them to milk jugs with a float switch in the top....

Hooking one up to a controller has the added feature of getting a txt message on your phone when its full.

Actually thinking about adding one my my home security cameras under the cabinet so i can remotely see whats going on in there periodically from my cell.
 

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Oh it was my skimmer alright! Reef Octopus 110 INT I believe was the model. G-A-R-B-A-G-E! It may have well just have been a water pump. Turn it on, within 5 secs it has overflowed. It wasn't a tuning issue, it was J-U-N-K. It taught me a few new curse words. Forced it back on my LFS and got a Skimz.

Other than the fact that the collection cup is impossible to remove, the Skimz is great. Yes, it has its moments and overflows, but each overflow teaches me some new lesson about prevention. I now have a leak detector outside my sump, and if the skimmer overflow gets water outside the sump, it turns off the skimmer. This trick has saved me a lot of messes, as it only takes 1mm of standing water to set it off. I am lazy about cleaning the cup (especially since it will NOT come off), so need to drain it via hose to another collector.
 

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Oh it was my skimmer alright! Reef Octopus 110 INT I believe was the model. G-A-R-B-A-G-E! It may have well just have been a water pump. Turn it on, within 5 secs it has overflowed. It wasn't a tuning issue, it was J-U-N-K. It taught me a few new curse words. Forced it back on my LFS and got a Skimz.

Other than the fact that the collection cup is impossible to remove, the Skimz is great. Yes, it has its moments and overflows, but each overflow teaches me some new lesson about prevention. I now have a leak detector outside my sump, and if the skimmer overflow gets water outside the sump, it turns off the skimmer. This trick has saved me a lot of messes, as it only takes 1mm of standing water to set it off. I am lazy about cleaning the cup (especially since it will NOT come off), so need to drain it via hose to another collector.
my skimz monster sm 203 collection cup comes off just fine. I have to hold the base w/ my other hand. I clean it once a week.
 
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There are many things which can make a skimmer go nuts.

Hydrophobic/hydrophillic organics
Faulty motor
Clogged impellor
Salinity
Spawning events

I love skimmers when they work properly though

But I am not talking about what you describe as a faulty or poorly maintained skimmer here. I am talking about a skimmer going nuts for no perceivable reason with a spawning event being a likely cause. Also salinity should never very enough to effect a skimmer unless the owner is negligent. Overflowing can occur when none of the first 4 mentioned are not the culprit.
 

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But I am not talking about what you describe as a faulty or poorly maintained skimmer here. I am talking about a skimmer going nuts for no perceivable reason with a spawning event being a likely cause. Also salinity should never very enough to effect a skimmer unless the owner is negligent. Overflowing can occur when none of the first 4 mentioned are not the culprit.

Ive personally seen filter wadding cause my skimmer to overflow. Has fire retardant in it which does that.

Another worthy mention is epoxy. My first experience of that was awful. 3 days of overflowing skimmer...
 
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