120 gallon rip clean

[Leadfooted]

Thanks. I did put a few Nudibranchs in my refuge and some peppermint shrimp. I don’t have Aiptasia in the refuge. I have four wrasses in QT so I’m not sure if Nudibranch will be a good idea for DT. My copper band butterfly was making a huge difference but he was the one that gave me ich and was only in the tank for a week.

I understand Berghia Nudi's resemble the taste of a hot chili pepper to fish lol. If a fish does try one it'll spit it out pretty quickly and likely won't try that again. You might need a few extra adults to ensure reproduction happens fast and keep up with some dying off due to fish curiosity. In the end, the nudi's should prevail.

 

[CoralClasher]

I understand Berghia Nudi's resemble the taste of a hot chili pepper to fish lol. If a fish does try one it'll spit it out pretty quickly and likely won't try that again. You might need a few extra adults to ensure reproduction happens fast and keep up with some dying off due to fish curiosity. In the end, the nudi's should prevail.

Wow I didn’t know that thanks, I’ll order some now. I would of got some right away but my LFS sold out and keep telling me they will have more soon. That was seven weeks ago. I still have a few weeks of fallow left and the Aiptasia is getting worse.

 

[brandon429]

Jon

your willingness is being linked as an example to hopefully save other reef tanks from loss

Relocated tank

Are you running the lights on a regular schedule, have you tried a blackout? Have you tried any water clarification products or bacteria in a bottle. Can you borrow someones UV. Uggggg. Yea. The algae seems to subside when lights are out so I can try that. Haven’t tried and products. I asked a...

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there is no other action that can save that tank from eutrophication loss. Though we have been doing rip cleans online for ten years or better, the hobby still views them as destructive. The vast majority of large tankers will kill a tank on purpose vs intervene, you’ve provided hope for large tankers with your documentation and follow through.

Readers have the ability to: a. Act preemptively before you get to a crash or b. React to a pending crash with confidence based on your work. We want them to see that the middle ground kills the tank but doing what saves tanks will not kill it.

 

[Paulie069]

I just got all new RODI filters and ran the housings through the dishwasher. I’m ready to make some good water!!

I’ve never made water before, I get all mine from 10 miles offshore in ocean

 

[brandon429]

That vectors in disease. A benefit of made water is no disease, doesn’t undo fallow preparation. Seawater sure is good feed diversity and bacterial diversity as a positive note. I would use it in my nano reefs with no fish for sure.

its true thousands of people run ocean water in aquariums it’s just hard to align with today’s best disease prevention protocols with it

 

[CoralClasher]

I’m already planning the next rip clean. It’s middle of winter here in Minnesota so I wasn’t able to get a shipment from Hawaii. Nothing has died but Dino did bloom. Dino didn’t bloom till week three after I added some amino acids and probably over fed a fallow tank. I didn’t add any bacteria or anything beneficial this time right after the rip clean. The next rip clean in spring I will premix and heat all the water and have some live sand and stuff from Hawaii ready to go.

 

[CoralClasher]

I’m two days past the 7 day bacteria method and Dino is almost gone again. Corals are starting to open back up.

 

[CoralClasher]

All ten fish went in yesterday and today everyone is happy and eating. Corals are definitely starting to grow and using more ALK. Dino is still gone.

 

[CoralClasher]

One week with fish. Everything is looking good and growing.

 

[brandon429]

Looking very very sharp

 

[CoralClasher]

Jon

your willingness is being linked as an example to hopefully save other reef tanks from loss

Relocated tank

Are you running the lights on a regular schedule, have you tried a blackout? Have you tried any water clarification products or bacteria in a bottle. Can you borrow someones UV. Uggggg. Yea. The algae seems to subside when lights are out so I can try that. Haven’t tried and products. I asked a...

www.reef2reef.com

there is no other action that can save that tank from eutrophication loss. Though we have been doing rip cleans online for ten years or better, the hobby still views them as destructive. The vast majority of large tankers will kill a tank on purpose vs intervene, you’ve provided hope for large tankers with your documentation and follow through.

Readers have the ability to: a. Act preemptively before you get to a crash or b. React to a pending crash with confidence based on your work. We want them to see that the middle ground kills the tank but doing what saves tanks will not kill it.

Soon as I can get a order from Hawaii I’ll be doing a rip clean. I ordered a before and after kit from AquaBiomics and Triton tests. I now have the ability to pre mix and heat the water so this next rip clean will go faster. I’m probably going to keep the fish in QT for a week and do a bacteria bloom because of my Dino problem. How soon before and after should I send in the bacteria tests?

 

[CoralClasher]

We are having some nice weather here in Minnesota and I’m getting an order from Hawaii on Thursday. I’ll be sending in the bacteria test tomorrow. Should I also use a ICP test before this rip clean or keep it for a few weeks after?

 

[brandon429]

Happy to have any of the data! I'm not sure which timeframe is better/ before vs after either way it'll give comparisons that have already been measured in hands off type setups

 

[CoralClasher]

Happy to have any of the data! I'm not sure which timeframe is better/ before vs after either way it'll give comparisons that have already been measured in hands off type setups

Sounds good I’ll send in the Triton tests because I’m curious too. I have been running both hands off and on. For the last two months the only time I use any filters is when I’m siphoning the sand twice a week. No skimmer no GAC no GFO. I haven’t changed any water since the last rip clean January 10th.

 

[brandon429]

Jon

what we do is the antithesis to keeping absolutely consistent water levels/params that people hold onto


a fringing reef zone can be quite harsh too, in nature


why has the hobby been hesitant to embrace ‘rough handling’ and why is the abrupt new water used not killing your corals

the alk water removed isn’t a direct exact match to alk going back in, why do we keep getting away with this across tanks?

I think it doesn’t kill my corals because they’re happy to have any water, after being nearly dried into jerky as an extended air contact video is made lol.

prediction: all required measured bac communities flux, then rebound to total stability, after being rip cleaned and the act is found to be the fountain of youth to reef tanks.... to the dismay of 98% of the hobby who also practice hands off reefing very well.


An opposing system with higher numbers of satisfied reefers, more than old school reefing can claim, has elbowed its way into the hobby. I’m not saying old school mud storage is bad, I’m saying rip cleaning / occasionally resetting the organic loading like a fringing storm garners higher number of happy reefers when tracked five years vs old school ways. We lose less coral, due to invasions. Rip cleaning is a specific address to correct the issues that hands off compilation of waste causes, it earns a high degree of tank tuneups we can show in work threads.

you are testing the good extremes for our hobby by rip cleaning twice, then DNA sampling. No number of rip cleans is harmful, can’t wait to see if measures allow for the collected results.


Drawing off top water, at least 80% of it for reuse after cleaning, wastes far less water and actually keeps params fairly consistent for those who care about that. The goal is the organic waste stores, creativity in access wins

even systems that have active sandbed-turning fish still demonstrate live rock retention. I’m not sure the degree of current needed to unplug rocks is sustainable or practical for daily running, it seems stormlike intervention doesn’t have a replacement yet for causing a streamlined way of running across tracked systems. Nearly all pico reefs do what you do, the data set to pull from is now massive. Yours is the first big system I’ve seen subjected to the harsh handling so common for easy access pico reefs.

 

[CoralClasher]

Jon

what we do is the antithesis to keeping absolutely consistent water levels/params that people hold onto


a fringing reef zone can be quite harsh too, in nature


why has the hobby been hesitant to embrace ‘rough handling’ and why is the abrupt new water used not killing your corals

the alk water removed isn’t a direct exact match to alk going back in, why do we keep getting away with this across tanks?

I think it doesn’t kill my corals because they’re happy to have any water, after being nearly dried into jerky as an extended air contact video is made lol.

prediction: all required measured bac communities flux, then rebound to total stability, after being rip cleaned and the act is found to be the fountain of youth to reef tanks.... to the dismay of 98% of the hobby who also practice hands off reefing very well.


An opposing system with higher numbers of satisfied reefers, more than old school reefing can claim, has elbowed its way into the hobby. I’m not saying old school mud storage is bad, I’m saying rip cleaning / occasionally resetting the organic loading like a fringing storm garners higher number of happy reefers when tracked five years vs old school ways. We lose less coral, due to invasions. Rip cleaning is a specific address to correct the issues that hands off compilation of waste causes, it earns a high degree of tank tuneups we can show in work threads.

you are testing the good extremes for our hobby by rip cleaning twice, then DNA sampling. No number of rip cleans is harmful, can’t wait to see if measures allow for the collected results.


Drawing off top water, at least 80% of it for reuse after cleaning, wastes far less water and actually keeps params fairly consistent for those who care about that. The goal is the organic waste stores, creativity in access wins

even systems that have active sandbed-turning fish still demonstrate live rock retention. I’m not sure the degree of current needed to unplug rocks is sustainable or practical for daily running, it seems stormlike intervention doesn’t have a replacement yet for causing a streamlined way of running across tracked systems. Nearly all pico reefs do what you do, the data set to pull from is now massive. Yours is the first big system I’ve seen subjected to the harsh handling so common for easy access pico reefs.

Yesterday I did my rip clean with 99% new water and only took like 4 hours to complete. Fish and corals were in QT only till the DT was full and dust settled. The sand I rinsed wasn’t as bad as last time but was full of waste.

 

[CoralClasher]

For most people 10% water change weekly is normal right? Why not do this every 10 weeks instead of weekly changes that causes fluctuations and imbalances more often?

 

[brandon429]

Either way this is fun to experiment with and watch you macro system control, those reefs are $ it’s not joke. Thank you for working with Eli on the genome measures the results will be linked on many of my threads can’t wait to see

 

[CoralClasher]

With the recommendation from Gerald at Indo-pacific sea farms I did toss most of my macros this time and they will be sending new macros. Maybe I should have cut them back last rip clean and Dino might not have bloomed?

 

[CoralClasher]

Day two after rip clean. Water has stayed clear, fish are happy and very eager to eat.