Any updates on the Maven?

[Reef Jedi]

This right here for me. Why announce it? Thats about as simple as it gets. And let’s not complicate it because we know companies do this to draw people in to purchase other things related to what is going to be releases. Works in the retail electronic world long enough to understand how announcements work. Get the hype going and many will purchase hydros just for the idea on what can and possibly might be. Then fails to deliver. Not good business practice. I will say Ray the Trident system sure is working just fine for me. It works for basic number of steady parameters. F I need fine tune I just do a icp test, or use my Hanna if needed from time to time.

Not about hydros having bad products that are on the market already, but rather shady business practice.

It’s super shady how they announced it and then it’s been crickets since. A tactic to get people to stay or purchase hydros. I was fully ready to switch from apex to hydros to try it. I’ve seen the interface and it’s so much nicer. But at this point I feel as I’ve lost hope for such a good product. I bit the bullet and bought a second trident in the meantime. Sucks because my money could have gone to them and i know a lot of other people who are in that same boat.

Just wish we would get some glimpse or hope it would come out. Silence is never a good thing on a product.

 

[JeffB418]

It’s super shady how they announced it and then it’s been crickets since. A tactic to get people to stay or purchase hydros. I was fully ready to switch from apex to hydros to try it. I’ve seen the interface and it’s so much nicer. But at this point I feel as I’ve lost hope for such a good product. I bit the bullet and bought a second trident in the meantime. Sucks because my money could have gone to them and i know a lot of other people who are in that same boat.

Just wish we would get some glimpse or hope it would come out. Silence is never a good thing on a product.

They provided an update 2 weeks ago starting here in this video:

 

[Reef Jedi]

They provided an update 2 weeks ago starting here in this video:

Oh wow! I’ll have to watch it when I get better service. Apparently the country clerk and recorder is truly a dead zone with service.

 

[docscorals]

This right here for me. Why announce it? Thats about as simple as it gets. And let’s not complicate it because we know companies do this to draw people in to purchase other things related to what is going to be releases. Works in the retail electronic world long enough to understand how announcements work. Get the hype going and many will purchase hydros just for the idea on what can and possibly might be. Then fails to deliver. Not good business practice. I will say Ray the Trident system sure is working just fine for me. It works for basic number of steady parameters. F I need fine tune I just do a icp test, or use my Hanna if needed from time to time.

Not about hydros having bad products that are on the market already, but rather shady business practice.

It’s super shady how they announced it and then it’s been crickets since. A tactic to get people to stay or purchase hydros. I was fully ready to switch from apex to hydros to try it. I’ve seen the interface and it’s so much nicer. But at this point I feel as I’ve lost hope for such a good product. I bit the bullet and bought a second trident in the meantime. Sucks because my money could have gone to them and i know a lot of other people who are in that same boat.

Just wish we would get some glimpse or hope it would come out. Silence is never a good thing on a product.

If that’s the case it worked for me. I have an apex on two of my tanks. The smaller Nano’s use Hydros. The only reason I got the apex was for testing with the trident because Hydros didn’t have one yet. I much prefer the ease and flexibility of Hydros over Apex. I keep hoping but the last update from them was about a year ago.

 

[braaap]

If that’s the case it worked for me. I have an apex on two of my tanks. The smaller Nano’s use Hydros. The only reason I got the apex was for testing with the trident because Hydros didn’t have one yet. I much prefer the ease and flexibility of Hydros over Apex. I keep hoping but the last update from them was about a year ago.

Interesting. Not many people prefer the Hydros interface over Apex. The Hydros interface is actually pretty atrocious. Limited data displayed, hard to use graphs and logging, and cant fine tune as much as the Apex.

 

[docscorals]

If that’s the case it worked for me. I have an apex on two of my tanks. The smaller Nano’s use Hydros. The only reason I got the apex was for testing with the trident because Hydros didn’t have one yet. I much prefer the ease and flexibility of Hydros over Apex. I keep hoping but the last update from them was about a year ago.

Interesting. Not many people prefer the Hydros interface over Apex. The Hydros interface is actually pretty atrocious. Limited data displayed, hard to use graphs and logging, and cant fine tune as much as the Apex.

I think it’s just a user preference thing. There’s plenty of threads on here where people have seen or tried both and prefer Hydros over Apex. Personally, I would call the Apex interface atrocious. It is not as intuitive as Hydros, IMHO. And some basic things a user might want to do are often buried under multiple clicks or submenus.

 

[braaap]

I think it’s just a user preference thing. There’s plenty of threads on here where people have seen or tried both and prefer Hydros over Apex. Personally, I would call the Apex interface atrocious. It is not as intuitive as Hydros, IMHO. And some basic things a user might want to do are often buried under multiple clicks or submenus.

But that isn't true. I have both and run both. Apex you can open one simple window and type out EXACTLY what you want it to do. Hydros you can't do that.

Hydros is more robust.

Apex can be more finely tuned and customized.

 

[areefer01]

But that isn't true. I have both and run both. Apex you can open one simple window and type out EXACTLY what you want it to do. Hydros you can't do that.

Hydros is more robust.

Apex can be more finely tuned and customized.

There is usually a task / wizard or advanced, they make it pretty simple. And even if you don't like the UI you can grab the data and export it to a db and present it however one wants. I use Grafana and tested with HA (Home Assistant).

They all have warts though.

 

[exnisstech]

Well it looks like they have something new but no maven.

According to this statement maybe they'll release the maven or are they working on something else new

 

[BeanAnimal]

Is the API device hosted with device endpoints or is it SaaS hosted and with SaaS endpoints?

 

[areefer01]

Is the API device hosted with device endpoints or is it SaaS hosted and with SaaS endpoints?

I got the impression that it is SaaS and not local. I must note that I caught this only in passing on a video that was asking them about it.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Never mind, I went a looked. It is a SaaS API, so all calls round trip through their cloud. Looks kind of sparse, and I don't own Hydros so not sure what can be actually leveraged with it. I think each "device" is a controller where status can be read or "overridden".

I suppose at least they have exposed a REST API. I won't likely every be a customer due to the hard SaaS tie, but hopefully those who are can leverage this to their advantage.

 

[areefer01]

Never mind, I went a looked. It is a SaaS API, so all calls round trip through their cloud. Looks kind of sparse, and I don't own Hydros so not sure what can be actually leveraged with it. I think each "device" is a controller where status can be read or "overridden".

I suppose at least they have exposed a REST API. I won't likely every be a customer due to the hard SaaS tie, but hopefully those who are can leverage this to their advantage.

Yep. That was more or less my take away although they made it sound like you could do read, write, post, etc. The only thing I frowned upon is that you need to contact them first to get approved.

To be fair you have to do this with Neptune if you want to develop something using their IOTA stack. We do not for everything else and its been this way for ever.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I don't care so much about testing, but SaaS is part of why my ReefBot has sat gather dust for over a year.

I would have applauded an API direct to the "collective" bypassing their SaaS, even if it mean buying an "Hydros {insert dumb name" API controller"

The end user would simply register a cloudflared tunnel or port forward to the device if their consumer is off LAN. "But bean that's complicated" is moot, because that task is moot for anybody able to build a tool to consume their REST API to begin with.

 

[Impunitus]

I don't care so much about testing, but SaaS is part of why my ReefBot has sat gather dust for over a year.

I would have applauded an API direct to the "collective" bypassing their SaaS, even if it mean buying an "Hydros {insert dumb name" API controller"

The end user would simply register a cloudflared tunnel or port forward to the device if their consumer is off LAN. "But bean that's complicated" is moot, because that task is moot for anybody able to build a tool to consume their REST API to begin with.

Agreed. This is something that could easily be done by throwing a pi onto a customer network and then the Hydros cloud isn't needed.

I got a developer key, and while it is nice to be able to pull information down into my own stack there is still improvements that need to be made.

IE they are not currently exposing static inputs, so if you were manually recording testing results into the Hydros app, you cannot extract that info from their ecosystem right now. I did post about this on the developer forum, we'll see if it ever gets added.

 

[mmorrison55]

At this point, the thread should be renamed to Maven Schmaven as this thing will never come out.

You guys who go to the trade shows where coralvue has a presence, do they even still have it out with all their other products? If they do, there may still be hope…

 

[BeanAnimal]

Agreed. This is something that could easily be done by throwing a pi onto a customer network and then the Hydros cloud isn't needed.

I got a developer key, and while it is nice to be able to pull information down into my own stack there is still improvements that need to be made.

IE they are not currently exposing static inputs, so if you were manually recording testing results into the Hydros app, you cannot extract that info from their ecosystem right now. I did post about this on the developer forum, we'll see if it ever gets added.

IMHO it is lazy architecture that doubles down on their captive ecosystem model while make it feel "open". A "collective" API controller and local interface for full control would break the dependence but I suspect that is opposite of what they want.

Again, I may be on an island, but I don't want my aquarium, my sprinklers, my dishwasher, my room lighting, my car's remote start, my thermostats or door locks, or anything else dependent on SaaS or a subscription.

 

[Impunitus]

IMHO it is lazy architecture that doubles down on their captive ecosystem model while make it feel "open". A "collective" API controller and local interface for fill control would break the dependence but I suspect that is opposite of what they want.

Again, I may be on an island, but I don't want my aquarium, my sprinklers, my dishwasher, my room lighting, my car's remote start, my thermostats or door locks, or anything else dependent on SaaS or a subscription.

I jumped into Hydros because I liked the idea of multiple brains in the collective. Being directly dependent on their cloud is making me regret my choice a bit. The Maven is not something I was directly wanting when I started but moving to a larger tank it is something I would really like to have (automated testing).

I'm normally one to pick the solution that allows more local/native control but opted to take a leap of faith with Hydros

 

[JeffB418]

At this point, the thread should be renamed to Maven Schmaven as this thing will never come out.

You guys who go to the trade shows where coralvue has a presence, do they even still have it out with all their other products? If they do, there may still be hope…

Yeah they still have a demo unit at shows, I saw pictures of a unit at Cali. I got some videos of it doing a test in Orlando. I was told it was performing the alkalinity test.