Artificial what....?.....

[Nasty_Goblin]

Agreed, it will draw from anything.

People are guilty of this as well. How many of you have seen anecdotal evidence get refuted by real science the moment Sir Holmes-Farley gets involved? I think everyone has seen a post claiming it's fine to keep a tang in a 20-gallon aquarium because of "personal experience".

 

[bikerbutter]

I think this is an overall good take to have.

However, I do think its odd that a lot of people cite personal interaction or "made-up" answers as a reason to distrust AI.

One of the first pieces of advice I had in the hobby was "Don't take advice from everyone." Exclusively speaking to humans or using information written by humans presents the same hurdles. I've been confused by conflicting responses on this forum several times.

IMO, the largest advantage to using AI is that it doesn't have an opinion. In a lot of ways, it's simply an advanced aggregator, not unlike Wikipedia. Most of the shortcomings associated with AI seem to be critiques of human nature and not the technology itself.

Yes, people should not be unwillingly replaced with machines. But it's people who make that decision in the first place. Draftsmen can blame computers all day long, but it's firm owners who have replaced them with technology and raised the bar for entry.

Reefkeeping and aquaculture are fields that can significantly benefit from AI. I'm new, but it doesn't take a veteran to realize that this is a game of pattern recognition. Why discount a tool because people misuse it due to greed and politics? It's not really any different than cellphones, calculators, or computers.

Hello, thanks for your feedback!! you are spot on in my opinion. Thank you very much for putting so much thought into your response. In my mind, you couldn't be more right!!

 

[bikerbutter]

People are guilty of this as well. How many of you have seen anecdotal evidence get refuted by real science the moment Sir Holmes-Farley gets involved? I think everyone has seen a post claiming it's fine to keep a tang in a 20-gallon aquarium because of "personal experience".

I'm personally guilty of it. It's easy to take whatever comes at you especially if it's similar to what you want to hear.

 

[Nasty_Goblin]

Hello, thanks for your feedback!! you are spot on in my opinion. Thank you very much for putting so much thought into your response. In my mind, you couldn't be more right!!

No thank you! This is a fascinating topic to me, and I'm intrigued by all the replies.

I would recommend using ChatGPT, Perplexity, or DeepSeek over Grok, though. Especially for accuracy.

 

[Nasty_Goblin]

I'm personally guilty of it. It's easy to take whatever comes at you especially if it's similar to what you want to hear.

I think everyone is. It's a part of being human.

But when your goal is to recreate a natural phenomenon in your home, there isn't a ton of room for opinions.

 

[X-37B]

I'm more concerned about them controlling thought process because so many people are starting to believe anything that gets served to them as the truth. It will only get worse as time goes on I'm afraid. We're giving them control of our electronics, mechanical devices, weapons etc. The list goes on. I doubt it will be in my lifetime thankfully then again it might be an interesting time but I don't think so. I'm probably just a paranoid old guy but like I said I've seen too much science fiction/imagination become truth in my lifetime not to believe anything is possible.

Old guy here too, lol.
It's literally just around the corner and we will live to see it, imo.
Watch what happens at the end of this month with EM's robots.
Musk has solved the ai problem and his ai bots are able to think and respond on their own without having to have every possible response programed in. They learn like us. Pretty wild, imo.
This is only the beginning and it will move much faster than anyone realizes, again imo.

I hope no one let's the bots watch Terminator. We as humans can't get along with each other on this planet and with the intelligence created in the bots they will end up just like us, sad imo.

 

[Nasty_Goblin]

Old guy here too, lol.
It's literally just around the corner and we will live to see it, imo.
Watch what happens at the end of this month with EM's robots.
Musk has solved the ai problem and his ai bots are able to think and respond on their own without having to have every possible response programed in. They learn like us. Pretty wild, imo.
This is only the beginning and it will move much faster than anyone realizes, again imo.

I hope no one let's the bots watch Terminator. We as humans can't get along with each other on this planet and with the intelligence created in the bots they will end up just like us, sad imo.

As a young person, I'm curious how your opinion developed throughout your life. I was too young/not alive to care during the rise of calculators, software, or the Y2K madness.

Do you see parallels between those things and modern AI, or are they two different things to you?

Would you say that modern reef technology (app integration, ICP tests, etc.) has improved your success or been helpful?

Side-bar, I'm not impressed with those robots, and I don't think Elon has really solved any problems. The limiting factor for the "AI problem" is the same for most tech: energy. AI is terrible for the planet lol.

 

[X-37B]

As a young person, I'm curious how your opinion developed throughout your life. I was too young/not alive to care during the rise of calculators, software, or the Y2K madness.

Do you see parallels between those things and modern AI, or are they two different things to you?

Would you say that modern reef technology (app integration, ICP tests, etc.) has improved your success or been helpful?

Side-bar, I'm not impressed with those robots, and I don't think Elon has really solved any problems. The limiting factor for the "AI problem" is the same for most tech: energy. AI is terrible for the planet lol.

Well first I would disagree with the he has not solved the problem as most don't even understand ai, imo. The ones who did not believe Musk could do what he has done are blind and will be left behind. "DON'T MISS THE BOAT.

This is the beginning and I will use the internet as an example.
I was a chemical engineer in the 90's and got the first laptops. I remember everyone saying the internet will not change anything and they did not invest.
I remember my dad born in 1931 telling me when he was a young man you could buy anything you wanted through the mail via a catalog. Not much different than buying on the big catalog, i.e the internet.
Parallels yes. Most think ai is bad, and only time will tell, but it's here whether you like it or not and imo, it will change the world much like the internet did. And it will do it in ways that can't be understood by the masses.
Imo, anyone who want to retire early needs to get invested in ai because it will happen faster than most think and most will be left behind. This is similar to the advance of the internet.

Tech has helped the hobby 10 fold. However relying on it blindly without proper research is what hold so many back, imo.

 

[bikerbutter]

No thank you! This is a fascinating topic to me, and I'm intrigued by all the replies.

I would recommend using ChatGPT, Perplexity, or DeepSeek over Grok, though. Especially for accuracy.

Spectacular!! Thank you.

 

[bikerbutter]

Old guy here too, lol.
It's literally just around the corner and we will live to see it, imo.
Watch what happens at the end of this month with EM's robots.
Musk has solved the ai problem and his ai bots are able to think and respond on their own without having to have every possible response programed in. They learn like us. Pretty wild, imo.
This is only the beginning and it will move much faster than anyone realizes, again imo.

I hope no one let's the bots watch Terminator. We as humans can't get along with each other on this planet and with the intelligence created in the bots they will end up just like us, sad imo.

Hello, thanks for joining in!! Musk's bots are incredible without question!!

 

[Nasty_Goblin]

Well first I would disagree with the he has not solved the problem as most don't even understand ai, imo. The ones who did not believe Musk could do what he has done are blind and will be left behind. "DON'T MISS THE BOAT.

This is the beginning and I will use the internet as an example.
I was a chemical engineer in the 90's and got the first laptops. I remember everyone saying the internet will not change anything and they did not invest.
I remember my dad born in 1931 telling me when he was a young man you could buy anything you wanted through the mail via a catalog. Not much different than buying on the big catalog, i.e the internet.
Parallels yes. Most think ai is bad, and only time will tell, but it's here whether you like it or not and imo, it will change the world much like the internet did. And it will do it in ways that can't be understood by the masses.
Imo, anyone who want to retire early needs to get invested in ai because it will happen faster than most think and most will be left behind. This is similar to the advance of the internet.

Tech has helped the hobby 10 fold. However relying on it blindly without proper research is what hold so many back, imo.

This is interesting. I think many of the people in this thread who are against AI are younger than you. Speaking to my parents and others in your age range its pretty clear to me that this "wisdom" plays a huge part in how you view emergent tech.

Respectfully, I'm a DevOps engineer. I'm not an expert, but I have no issue understanding AI. Elon is facing the same problems as everyone in the industry. If he had "solved AI," he wouldn't be having (very public) alignment issues with Grok. Happy to discuss more in DM if you're interested, just don't want to derail the thread.

That being said, I'm interested in seeing how those who are against AI in the hobby view other "black box" tools and products. ICP tests, and magic coral foods come to mind.

 

[GoAskAlice]

I worry about what AI will do to our ability to write, to compose our thoughts. I love the written word...what is said, how it is said, what is not said. The written word is so powerful. This thread is an example of that. But now AI is finishing our sentences, composing our thoughts for us, doing students school work that requires writing. I fear for a generation that grows up just accepting that. I see a loss of original thought and worry what happens to our brains when we stop using them to express things in our own way, rather than accepting how AI expresses them.

 

[bikerbutter]

I worry about what AI will do to our ability to write, to compose our thoughts. I love the written word...what is said, how it is said, what is not said. The written word is so powerful. This thread is an example of that. But now AI is finishing our sentences, composing our thoughts for us, doing students school work that requires writing. I fear for a generation that grows up just accepting that. I see a loss of original thought and worry what happens to our brains when we stop using them to express things in our own way, rather than accepting how AI expresses them.

Hello, thanks for joining!! Great point!! Our ways of talking and thinking are what make us who we are. If we lose that where will we be? That's a most interesting angle.

 

[GoAskAlice]

Not long ago I read an article something to the effect "will learning to write become unnecessary". I was so depressed I felt like lacing up my running shoes and getting as far away from technology as my feet would take me. Of course I'd have to leave my Apple Watch at home, so I wouldn't know how far I'd gone, my pace, split time, heart rate, gps location ... guess I'd take the watch.

 

[Robusto]

Read "The Adolescence of P1" by Thomas Ryan

 

[bikerbutter]

Not long ago I read an article something to the effect "will learning to write become unnecessary". I was so depressed I felt like lacing up my running shoes and getting as far away from technology as my feet would take me. Of course I'd have to leave my Apple Watch at home, so I wouldn't know how far I'd gone, my pace, split time, heart rate, gps location ... guess I'd take the watch.

Lol!! I totally get it!! I always have been anti-technology but I have gotten so dependent on it that it would be difficult to live without.

 

[GoAskAlice]

Read "The Adolescence of P1" by Thomas Ryan

Will do. Just ordered it from Amazon.

 

[bikerbutter]

Read "The Adolescence of P1" by Thomas Ryan

A spectacular story!! The more human feeling that they try to incorporate, the more possible that reality will become. If we give a computer the ability to feel and then let it feel fear, we could be in real trouble. That's a very very good point!! Thank you!!

 

[Nasty_Goblin]

I worry about what AI will do to our ability to write, to compose our thoughts. I love the written word...what is said, how it is said, what is not said. The written word is so powerful. This thread is an example of that. But now AI is finishing our sentences, composing our thoughts for us, doing students school work that requires writing. I fear for a generation that grows up just accepting that. I see a loss of original thought and worry what happens to our brains when we stop using them to express things in our own way, rather than accepting how AI expresses them.

We're already seeing the negative impact AI has on students. It wasn't particularly great before AI either. Remember when the SAT had an essay?

Sadly I don't think it can be stopped or metered because we won't address the root cause. IMO that cause is the education system. People don't value the liberal education anymore. Students view education as a means to an end. Why take Ethics or English courses when I want to be an engineer? It's a "waste" of time.

The joy of writing is in articulation and discovery. It's challenging to extract financial value from that.

There is no joy in the education system anymore. For a lot of people it's just prison/day care with extra steps.

"Whenever you are fed up with life, start writing: ink is the great cure for all human ills, as I have found out long ago." - C.S. Lewis.

 

[GoAskAlice]

"Whenever you are fed up with life, start writing: ink is the great cure for all human ills, as I have found out long ago." - C.S. Lewis.

I love this quote. Thanks for it.

To parents of young children I would say buy books, now, lots of them, and read them to your children and when they are old enough have them read to you (not ereaders or tablets). Try and foster an appreciation of words on paper, composed by human brains.

I take this advice myself. I have an e reader for travel, but I buy books, real books, maybe more than I have life expectancy left to read. But one of my sons shares my love of books, so he gets my collection when I'm gone.