Best holy grail torch?

[TCseh]

They. Are. All. Made. Up. Names.

Lol that's why I ask.

 

[Coral Kai]

No lineages on these guys ... I would say just as good as the lineaged ones.... all 3+ heads. the middle one is closer to 7

 

[Wildreefs]

This guy sounds so pathetic . Best Buy for my money, most resale value, sounds more like a business corporate raider or house flipper. It’s what wrong with the hobby, someone getting a coral they know nothing about; just to hopefully cash in on it at some point

 

[TCseh]

This guy sounds so pathetic . Best Buy for my money, most resale value, sounds more like a business corporate raider or house flipper. It’s what wrong with the hobby, someone getting a coral they know nothing about; just to hopefully cash in on it at some point

Get some empathy. The reason I sound like what you call a "house flipper" and saying "I know nothing about it" is because this coral is expensive and I want to be able to get my money back from it. With you saying I'm not doing my research who says this isn't apart of my research? With you saying I know nothing is because I do know nothing about the holy grail. That's why I'm asking. I know it's a torch but I was wondering if it was like a subspecies of torch that was slower growing or harder to take care of. Take jawbreaker mushrooms and gmk zoas. They are both apart of a really easy to take care of species but they are somehow really hard to take care of. My final word to you is have empathy and keep an open mind when it comes to things.

 

[Wolters_88]

With you being experienced buying and selling torches. How would you say a cornbreds hg is worth buying and reselling.

I would never buy a “cornbread” HG. His prices are mostly super marked up wilds.

 

[TCseh]

I would never buy a “cornbread” HG. His prices are mostly super marked up wilds.

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[mrpontiac80]

Here is my advice, take it or don’t.
Buy what catches your eye. My best growing torches were cheap ones. The expensive ones died. Don’t buy one that everyone wants hopefully to make money on it later. Get one you think looks awesome and if it grows and matures then maybe you can sell some frags. Also,

Look around for locals. I have a guy that sells coral in my neighborhood. 1/3 the cost of retail stores. Do they have a history you can trace back? No.. but they look cool. His hellfires, 24k’s and stuff are just as awesome in my tank as that $1000 online, difference is I paid 100 or less probably.The pic above is my “24k” as the lights were going down. I guess from my point of view, if it has the colors I want, who cares what the marketing name is?

 

[Hats_]

I dont think anyone can guarantee you resell value lol, maybe next month they find some new weird coloured acro that is difficult to keep and those become the new craze, dropping prices in torches again... when i started this hobby torches were nearly worthless... its a very strange market is all i am saying

 

[James w Lewis]

Also....you can drop all the $$$$$ you want on a special coral...like the Holy Grail....just remember, as with all Coral...it will never look the same as it did at your LFS or online retailers once its in your tank...maybe, eventually, it will get close, but not for 6 months.

Me...I'm never paying $2k for a coral...my red torch with green tips was $60...and it's awesome!

Can I have a pic of that one please.

 

[ELChingonsReef]

I agree with what you are saying. I believe my water quality is nutrient rich hence why I started this thread, I don't mind taking advice from others though. The only things that are off are alkalinity at 10dkh and ph at 7.8-7.9. I try to dose kalkwasser but it doesn't seem to go up.

Yea 10dkh is pretty high man. I'm looking for a holy grail too . Like you I'm not sure which one I want yet but I know I'm getting one. I really want a FCA 24k holy grail or my buddy at KFC has his signature Starburst hg. The thing that holds me back is I would have to rehome one of the torches I have now to make room for it in my system. I get attached to my corals. I know I will eventually need to do this but there's still a lot to think about before I make that design. I would keep your alkalinity around 8dkh. Keep calcium around 400 mag at 1350. Keep your trace element in check that will help with growth and color. Especially with a holy grail. Give your torch around 300 par with medium indirect flow. Don't blast it with flow you will regret it. I have a huge 24k indo and a huge ny Knicks next to each other. This is 2 years of growth

 

[mrpontiac80]

Yea 10dkh is pretty high man. I'm looking for a holy grail too . Like you I'm not sure which one I want yet but I know I'm getting one. I really want a FCA 24k holy grail or my buddy at KFC has his signature Starburst hg. The thing that holds me back is I would have to rehome one of the torches I have now to make room for it in my system. I get attached to my corals. I know I will eventually need to do this but there's still a lot to think about before I make that design. I would keep your alkalinity around 8dkh. Keep calcium around 400 mag at 1350. Keep your trace element in check that will help with growth and color. Especially with a holy grail. Give your torch around 300 par with medium indirect flow. Don't blast it with flow you will regret it. I have a huge 24k indo and a huge ny Knicks next to each other. This is 2 years of growth

Those are looking awesome

 

[Rennurdoar]

I would just look for something that catches your eye. Expecting to buy a named torch, then get good resale isn't a realistic goal in my opinion. The price of corals change daily, plus you'll have to get your reputation up for people to even consider buying from you. @SBB Corals has some great hgs and Torches also.

Here's my SBB torch rock for example. I like these better than any hg I've seen in person so far. These are all just 'cheap' Torches. But I think they look better than some $600+ Torches I've seen

 

[TCseh]

After looking into it, I am just looking into a tiger, fca jester, or something else. Any opinions? My lfs don't carry that much euphyllia so I have never seen any nice torches in person.

 

[BiGGiePauls33]

Echoing what others have already said above, buy what you like, don't buy for resale value, sure it helps but you can buy non super expensive pieces, grow and sell them for the same money, doesn't have to be at 1k a pop. I have a tank full of high end sps, lps and bounce mushrooms. I also don't pay retail pricing being a member of a local club and also don't price gouge the next hobbyist. I just sold two OG Bounces for a great deal, much less than 1 at retail. I have holy grails, dragon souls, Indo golds, Malaysian golds, Rapunzel's, tigers etc. Would it be nice to sell things for top dollar, absolutely but things that command higher prices usually come with harder to keep corals. I just tossed a fat 3 head hg and 2 heads of Rapunzel due to bjd. I've been keeping corals since 2004 and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Good luck on your endeavors.

If my dog wasn't passed out on my lap right now, I'd send some better pics.

 

[Sullivanjd2]

The jolly rancher is the brightest I’ve seen in person.

 

[paintman]

None, TBH. I'd go to a local frag swap and find a torch that looks awesome in person to buy. Who cares what its name is?

This right here!!!!!!!!

 

[coralcruze]

I think my CC24K is the best. However full disclosure, I am impartial to my original CoralCruze Mother colony

 

[paintman]

None, TBH. I'd go to a local frag swap and find a torch that looks awesome in person to buy. Who cares what its name is?

exxxxxxxactly!

 

[slingfox]

@TCseh Did you ever end up buying a torch? If so, how has it gone?

 

[BryanM]

To the OP, getting advice here is awesome, i love this site.

But it appears to me you're trying to make money on this purchase. You should consider that all on you. I think the best advice given here is to see it in person.

It seems hard to acquire the knowledge needed when most names are made up, people can call something whatever they want, etc, etc.

For me, and this is just me, I buy things I like. I have an HG torch, two heads ATM. if it splits many more times I might considering trying to figure out how to frag it, maybe I make a buck or two. But I only buy things I enjoy, and never intend to sell.