Bolus dosing

[Mo.]

At best you may claim that you made the same/ similar observation as FM/ Doug etc…

At best?? Otherwise I’m lying? Or what other observation do you have?

For example when I used BOLUS I didn’t have the same observation / response/ results.

That’s fair enough. Not everybody has success.

Also it needs to be stated that while the observation made by FM / Doug etc… may be correct the explanation is bad. Broken buffer system, little crystals, chemistry in reef tank not following basic chemistry principles, Flouride that stabilizes Iodine one day and provides coral with sun protection the next, halogens that need to dosed before the light is on etc…

I don’t think the halogens need to be dosed before the lights come on, but they happen to be in the Trace mix that FM put into the Alk bucket- I believe that’s been the case for many years- if you use the FM trace mixes.

I don’t use their trace mixes.

Where did you hear about those fluoride functions?

Many of these have been mentioned in the latest podcast by Adam so unfortunately the bad explanations are not going away.


Really, half of it? Nice hyperbole…

Maybe- but look back to when the thread blew up and look at my contribution at the time. I was the lone voice lol. I hadn’t visited for a few months after that- but there was a noticeable drop in post frequency too.

So interpret that however you like.

From my observation there is lot of fluff in your responses but not much meat and potatoes.

The meat and potatoes are in my tank pal. And we’re in my last tank too. Care to look? Let me see yours before you start spouting forth again.

Very educational reply and it does keep the count up.

Regardless this is a circular argument that is not getting anywhere.

again! But take it somewhere, let’s see your tank for starters and maybe we can discuss…..

But you did peak my interest, what exactly are you running on your reef tank?
With so many posts I lost track. Is it Kalk, FM BOLUS with FM products and FM light schedule (BOLUS HTU), Hybrid BOLUS, no BOLUS etc…

What exactly are you using?

Also what improvements have you observed? As per your statement with Kalk you had great coral trajectory:

If it was great before how do you determine it is greater now???

Maybe it is the same, trajectory is the same just different method?

Cheers,

Oh wait-
Now you’re losing track of my posts, but before you hadn’t noticed that I’d even posted.

My credentials are out there for the world to see and has been for many years.

Now let’s start by seeing your tank and then we can debate on whatever you wish to.

If you couldn’t make bolus work, I’m beginning to think this post is pointless.

 

[Garf]

At best?? Otherwise I’m lying? Or what other observation do you have?



That’s fair enough. Not everybody has success.



I don’t think the halogens need to be dosed before the lights come on, but they happen to be in the Trace mix that FM put into the Alk bucket- I believe that’s been the case for many years- if you use the FM trace mixes.

I don’t use their trace mixes.

Where did you hear about those fluoride functions?




Maybe- but look back to when the thread blew up and look at my contribution at the time. I was the lone voice lol. I hadn’t visited for a few months after that- but there was a noticeable drop in post frequency too.

So interpret that however you like.



The meat and potatoes are in my tank pal. And we’re in my last tank too. Care to look? Let me see yours before you start spouting forth again.




again! But take it somewhere, let’s see your tank for starters and maybe we can discuss…..



Oh wait-
Now you’re losing track of my posts, but before you hadn’t noticed that I’d even posted.

My credentials are out there for the world to see and has been for many years.

Now let’s start by seeing your tank and then we can debate on whatever you wish to.

If you couldn’t make bolus work, I’m beginning to think this post is pointless.

Can you tell me how much Alk you are adding at present, please.

 

[Mo.]

Can you tell me how much Alk you are adding at present, please.

1.5 litres per day.

 

[Garf]

1.5 litres per day.

Ta, so that's about 1.1 DKH.

 

[Mo.]

Ta, so that's about 1.1 DKH.

Depends on which calculator you have used and what volume for the water? Given rock and equipment displacement….

Why did you want to know?

 

[Garf]

Depends on which calculator you have used and what volume for the water? Given rock and equipment displacement….

Why did you want to know?

I'm nosey. You were at 0.4DKH last July when I used 1000 gallons and an assumption of a large sump, using diest calculator, Randy bicarb recipe No2 (which is quite close to theoretical maximum bicarb saturation at room temperature). Thanks for the info.

 

[Mo.]

I'm nosey. You were at 0.4DKH last July when I used 1000 gallons and an assumption of a large sump, using diest calculator, Randy bicarb recipe No2 (which is quite close to theoretical maximum bicarb saturation at room temperature). Thanks for the info.

Ah yes. I think water vol is slightly less than 1000G, but it’s all relative if the assumptions for the 0.4dKh were the same.

Almost trebled then. Heading the right way…

 

[OscarHaglund]

The mark of some with nothing to hide? I dunno, it seems strange though. From this thread i don’t see what randy has done to deserve this treatment other than being knowledgeable enough to stand up to claims that others might just swallow.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

The obvious question in people's minds would be, what's Claude afraid of?

In fairness, it could get frustrating with the language barrier. But it can also be explained as fear of logic shooting holes claims ahead of sales of his new seawater chemistry book. I'm being forced to say it, "hmmm".

 

[BeanAnimal]

This man is working to publish a book full of his made up science and biology, and somehow that is going to give it all credence? At the same time he won’t debate anybody with actual training and knowledge — discounting their input as uninformed in comparison to his decades of reef experience. The hubris on display by this man.

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

What’s a book?

 

[BeanAnimal]

What’s a book?

When cornered in the last few exchanges about his glaring misstatements and understanding about biology and chemistry, he has responded that he will soon be publishing a book with the help of real German scientists (or something to that effect) that truly understand reef chemistry and biology -- A dig toward Randy and anybody else who attempts to show his assertions to be unsupported.

In fairness, it could get frustrating with the language barrier.

I don't think Claude has any problem whatsoever speaking or understanding the English language. In fact, he only appears to conveniently fumble with it when backed into a corner. At least that is my take.

 

[OscarHaglund]

Another reply from claude about why he doesn’t want to debate randy.

Oscar Haglund Sorry please read the first week, there was nothing happens what you said, only over the time the pressure was so high that he change his mind. At the beginning the usualy. is all crap, every aquaristik now that Bicarb does not raise, later we did not have bicarb in our products, or we have no chemists or or or.... then the answere were changed. This is not a good and honest way to made discussion with a responsible way of acting against people and leading companys, like i say i had this experience twice with him and i am done. According to the experience you said , I am really sorry and i know that everything what i said would be feel like a attack which is not !!!. The point is that there is no reefing experience, the last aquarium he runs looks like a tank from the 70th the last decade he has no aquarium. Sorry this has nothing to do with experience, However, there where enough such discussions. The book will be ready soon, then is all what we know yet written down and explained. Thanks for your good way of communiction i a really appreciate

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

When cornered in the last few exchanges about his glaring misstatements and understanding about biology and chemistry, he has responded that he will soon be publishing a book with the help of real German scientists (or something to that effect) that truly understand reef chemistry and biology -- A dig toward Randy and anybody else who attempts to show his assertions to be unsupported.


I don't think Claude has any problem whatsoever speaking or understanding the English language. In fact, he only appears to conveniently fumble with it when backed into a corner. At least that is my take.

Another of my failed attempts at sarcasm/humor….

In the age of yt and tiki talkies, how many books could he/they sell? I, for one, wish there were more (and current) books being pub’d on the subject these days. I miss not having adverts (traditional, or guised as proven methods) jump out and punch you in the face with the turn of a page.

 

[Pod_01]

Say what…

he has responded that he will soon be publishing a book with the help of real German scientists (or something to that effect) that truly understand reef chemistry and biology

I definitely recall from number of the talking people shows that FM and company stated basic chemistry principles and ocean chemistry doesn’t work in a reef tank…

Oh I get it, this is new chemistry, BOLUS chemistry… I guess this will be addendum to the BOLUS guide…

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

The point is that there is no reefing experience, the last aquarium he runs looks like a tank from the 70th the last decade he has no aquarium. Sorry this has nothing to do with experience,

He is very correct in that narrow point. None of my discussion is or has been based on my “experience”. I am simply pointing out chemical reality.

That said, I have not retracted anything i have said in this thread and have never changed my mind about what bicarbonate does for pH in a reef tank. I published the effects of bicarbonate and other alk additives decades ago. It’s really a shame that he resorts to such statements to denigrate my opinions and statements.

As to the it is all crap, that is absolutely true of many of the things he has said or posted in written words, and that is what I very clearly call out in a word by word basis. Not the effects in corals.

I have never, ever said that one could not bolus dose and have a great tank.

Finally, I liked the look of my tank. I designed it to look that way. I could blast his or others reef tanks because they are not the look I prefer. But that would hardly support my assertions about chemistry.

 

[areefer01]

Finally, I liked the look of my tank. I designed it to look that way. I could blast his or others reef tanks because they are not the look I prefer. But that would hardly support my assertions about chemistry.

I don't believe they are using the challenge card (let me see hobbyist tank) for the looks but rather if one has a mature system. Displays are a personal preference and different as you point out. And I agree.

On the other hand not everyone can grow a 24" toadstool or Acropora table colony. That or even be in the hobby long enough to say they have a 5, 7, 10, year old reef of X type.

Of course this is just my interpretation and very well could be wrong.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I don't believe they are using the challenge card (let me see hobbyist tank) for the looks but rather if one has a mature system. Displays are a personal preference and different as you point out. And I agree.

On the other hand not everyone can grow a 24" toadstool or Acropora table colony. That or even be in the hobby long enough to say they have a 5, 7, 10, year old reef of X type.

Of course this is just my interpretation and very well could be wrong.

My tank was up for 20 years, with some very large organisms. In fact, I had a leather dominating one whole end. Seems mature to me.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I don't believe they are using the challenge card (let me see hobbyist tank)

That is exactly what they are using it for and training their followers to respond with when confronted.

"it works, see my tank, now show me yours".

"I have experience and my results prove what I am saying. You have only theory and your tank looks like one from the 70's -- therefore you are not qualified to speak about this subject"

"If Claude is so wrong, then why does my tank and his tank look so good?"

"If Doug is so wrong, then why would he have a successful frag business and be a paid consultant for FM"

Etc.

All of it aimed at avoiding defense of the nonsense explanations in favor of just speaking to the results.

 

[Pod_01]

I don't believe they are using the challenge card (let me see hobbyist tank) for the looks but rather if one has a mature system. Displays are a personal preference and different as you point out. And I agree.

On the other hand not everyone can grow a 24" toadstool or Acropora table colony. That or even be in the hobby long enough to say they have a 5, 7, 10, year old reef of X type.

Of course this is just my interpretation and very well could be wrong.

I think part of it is to show, look I have great tank hence I know the reef chemistry.
You don’t have a tank or are not successful hence you don’t know the reef chemistry.

I just don’t see the link between understanding chemistry and reef keeping knowledge /ability.

When I am referring to chemistry I mean things like this:

In this thread we have individuals stating, if you don’t have 1000gal tank you should not participate. Again I am not understanding how 10gal, 200 gal or a 1000gal tank suddenly gives you degree in chemistry. Does not compute…

Just my opinion.