Bolus dosing

[Welsh Reefer.]

I don't have an issue with advisors charging for their time. As far as I know they get no financial incentive from Fauna for doing them. I guess the assumption is that it can help generate some kind of business off the back of it. However for people like Adam, Reefbum or Doug who don't have retail stores like a typical LFS they need to cover their time cost, right?

From my own/UK perspective, Doug provides an email outlining any target areas or issues with suggestions of what you may want to do, and if you wish to pay for a consultation to go into more detail, then that's up to you. There's never been an up sell element to it from my own consultations but I guess every advisor is different.

 

[Garf]

Perhaps if you pay them in a big lump upfront it'll just be half price?

 

[areefer01]

I don't have an issue with advisors charging for their time. As far as I know they get no financial incentive from Fauna for doing them. I guess the assumption is that it can help generate some kind of business off the back of it. However for people like Adam, Reefbum or Doug who don't have retail stores like a typical LFS they need to cover their time cost, right?

From my own/UK perspective, Doug provides an email outlining any target areas or issues with suggestions of what you may want to do, and if you wish to pay for a consultation to go into more detail, then that's up to you. There's never been an up sell element to it from my own consultations but I guess every advisor is different.

I believe that is why somewhere in this thread a few mentioned sponsored by or monetizing off of content and hobby.

If someone is promoting something fierce they should disclose if they are getting any form of kickback be it free product, sponsor, or any other form of income.

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

Perhaps if you pay them in a big lump upfront it'll just be half price?

Only if you do it first thing in the morning when the lights first come on.

 

[BeanAnimal]

My issue with it has nothing to do with money, it has to do with giving credence to and spreading nonsense.

The parting fools from their money is what it is.

 

[rtparty]

Perhaps if you pay them in a big lump upfront it'll just be half price?

 

[Big E]

My issue with it has nothing to do with money, it has to do with giving credence to and spreading nonsense.

The parting fools from their money is what it is.

I don't know why anyone takes the word of a vendor/influencer when new products come out. It's up to them(vendor) to prove their product is worth doing anything other than line their pockets.

There are very few pod casters I know of that give honest unbiased information on these products. Jim "telegraham" is excellent.

Reefbuilders/ Reef Therapy are also working on various projects which excite me. I'm sure they'll get around to the fact & truth behind a lot of false product claims. I'm guessing Bolus isn't one that's high on their list because it's such a joke it's not worth exposing. Joke meaning their product is "special" or that you have to dose before lights come on............but only alk:beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes:

It works fine as a method as many reefers have done it for years before dosers were available. I did full on/off lighting & bolus dosing myself which was close to ten years........... Nothing majic or new about it.

 

[Welsh Reefer.]

I don't know why anyone takes the word of a vendor/influencer when new products come out. It's up to them(vendor) to prove their product is worth doing anything other than line their pockets.

There are very few pod casters I know of that give honest unbiased information on these products. Jim "telegraham" is excellent.

Reefbuilders/ Reef Therapy are also working on various projects which excite me. I'm sure they'll get around to the fact & truth behind a lot of false product claims. I'm guessing Bolus isn't one that's high on their list because it's such a joke it's not worth exposing. Joke meaning their product is "special" or that you have to dose before lights come on............but only alk:beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes:

It works fine as a method as many reefers have done it for years before dosers were available. I did full on/off lighting & bolus dosing myself which was close to ten years........... Nothing majic or new about it.

You say there's nothing magic about it, however, for me - there is.

If pH is king - (or at least beneficial vs low or varied pH) then this method wins out for me vs Sodium Hydroxide based two part and standard 24hr dosing of bicarb. Had never sustained an 8.15-8.5 daily pH on the other methods before. That and my trace stability is improved significantly.

I do feel it's a method that works better if you have a high coral load and alk demand to be needing to dose enough to see the effects though.

This thread has also just gone wildly off topic and turned into Fauna bashing instead of Bolus bashing.

 

[Mangimi]

I tried this using all for reef. That stuff also doesn't precipitate out, just like FM balling light. I saw no differences in coral growth, but my zoas started acting up, the giga palytoas lost all their pigments and got brown. In another thread I read it might be due to a high and concentrated dose of trace elements from the All4reef.

However, my brother grows corals using bolus just fine.

 

[twentyleagues]

You say there's nothing magic about it, however, for me - there is.

If pH is king - (or at least beneficial vs low or varied pH) then this method wins out for me vs Sodium Hydroxide based two part and standard 24hr dosing of bicarb. Had never sustained an 8.15-8.5 daily pH on the other methods before. That and my trace stability is improved significantly.

I do feel it's a method that works better if you have a high coral load and alk demand to be needing to dose enough to see the effects though.

This thread has also just gone wildly off topic and turned into Fauna bashing instead of Bolus bashing.

This pretty much went after the Fauna claims right from the rip. I think the broken buffer idea came up in the 4th or 5th post and thats when it really started to heat up. I am pretty sure most people dont have an issue with Bolus its been done for years the issue is the crazy claims fm and fg have put out there as scientific fact. There were also a few FM bolus method users that chimed in but were/are unable to help substantiate any of the claims other than its better, but better than what? What can you show as better? They cannot. Its not better its just different. You say it has made your ph more stable and higher over all. Is that better? Maybe. Your trace stability has improved significantly? ICP tests? Improved over what? Were you dosing traces before using bolus? Were they the same quality/quantity? And if they are there in a higher surplus now do we know that is actually better?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

You say there's nothing magic about it, however, for me - there is.

If pH is king - (or at least beneficial vs low or varied pH) then this method wins out for me vs Sodium Hydroxide based two part and standard 24hr dosing of bicarb. Had never sustained an 8.15-8.5 daily pH on the other methods before. That and my trace stability is improved significantly.

I do feel it's a method that works better if you have a high coral load and alk demand to be needing to dose enough to see the effects though.

This thread has also just gone wildly off topic and turned into Fauna bashing instead of Bolus bashing.

So you are actually claiming that the pH of your aquarium is higher using sodium bicarbonate than when maintaining similar alk with carbonate or hydroxide?

I don’t recall even FM making a claim like that, although I may easily have just not seen it.

 

[Big E]

You say there's nothing magic about it, however, for me - there is.

If pH is king - (or at least beneficial vs low or varied pH) then this method wins out for me vs Sodium Hydroxide based two part and standard 24hr dosing of bicarb. Had never sustained an 8.15-8.5 daily pH on the other methods before. That and my trace stability is improved significantly.

I do feel it's a method that works better if you have a high coral load and alk demand to be needing to dose enough to see the effects though.

This thread has also just gone wildly off topic and turned into Fauna bashing instead of Bolus bashing.

I tracked ph when I when I had calcium reactor. I don't chase ph and don't even measure it on my tanks now. The ph craze is something I never followed from the pellets to reduce C02, skimmer intake outside, kalk dosing methods, ect.

I did dust off an old ph monitor and a few years ago for curiosity sake and all my tanks were in an acceptable range.

 

[Welsh Reefer.]

So you are actually claiming that the pH of your aquarium is higher using sodium bicarbonate than when maintaining similar alk with carbonate or hydroxide?

I don’t recall even FM making a claim like that, although I may easily have just not seen it.

Yes. Although there's variables at play of course, I've since increased coral load a bit from the time dosing hydroxide and changed skimmer to a larger one. Sodium hydroxide based two part dosed to maintain alk level over 24hrs (Reef Zlements PH+), I found an old graph:

Fauna Marin balling light dosed hourly to maintain alk

Fauna Marin Bolus dosing

All graphs captured in cold winter/autumn time so house co2 variables will be very similar.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I guess my only response is that I believe that if you did the same thing as the third graph to attain the same alk with carbonate or hydroxide that the pH would be the same or higher.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Not to mention the huge variable of a larger skimmer.

 

[Welsh Reefer.]

No doubt bolus dosing hydroxide would certainly make the pH higher, if that's what you meant :face-with-tears-of-joy:

I guess my only response is that I believe that if you did the same thing as the third graph to attain the same alk with carbonate or hydroxide that the pH would be the same or higher.

 

[Welsh Reefer.]

Not to mention the huge variable of a larger skimmer.

It's not like a I failed to point this out, I could very easily not have done and made magical claims. But I can only comment based on my own experiences. A Reef tank is an ever changing environment so I've not conducted any scientific experiment here, purely stating my own experiences.

Only experiment I did do was the kitchen bicarb, and had a different pH effect that I do with FM KH

 

[BeanAnimal]

It's not like a I failed to point this out, I could very easily not have done and made magical claims. But I can only comment based on my own experiences. A Reef tank is an ever changing environment so I've not conducted any scientific experiment here, purely stating my own experiences.

Only experiment I did do was the kitchen bicarb, and had a different pH effect that I do with FM KH

To be sure, I am not accusing you of being deceptive, rather just offering what I think is a reasonable and obvious explanation for the magic.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

No doubt bolus dosing hydroxide would certainly make the pH higher, if that's what you meant :face-with-tears-of-joy:

Would FM agree? They spend much time explaining why bicarbonate is special.

 

[Garf]

It's not like a I failed to point this out, I could very easily not have done and made magical claims. But I can only comment based on my own experiences. A Reef tank is an ever changing environment so I've not conducted any scientific experiment here, purely stating my own experiences.

Only experiment I did do was the kitchen bicarb, and had a different pH effect that I do with FM KH

Have you ditched the Neptune Apex ( especially the pH probe?). Unfortunately, just like changing chemical test kits, variations can be misleading and extremely difficult to gain meaningful info.