Cant stop brown jelly disease

[Mike from Penna]

I was seeking some advice on bjd in my euphillya.
I had an outbreak and have lost 6 euphillya so far.

I completed a 10 day in tank cipro treatment and added bacteria after the cipro was complete. Each day there appears to be another infected coral. I've been dipping the newly infected coral each day in the king fu dip. The kung fu seems to help and I've been about to save a few heads generally losing one of the heads.

Any additional suggestions or do I need it to infect all my torches and hammers?

Should I do a kung fu dip on all my euphillya even if they look ok now? I have about 20 total.
Thanks.

 

[KrisReef]

Treat the entire tank. Dip can help but when the infection is in the tank you have to treat the whole tank to get rid of the infection.

 

[VintageReefer]

you can treat the tank but it’s possible your strain became resistant to antibiotics. Full tank treatment didn’t help me. I was having same situation. One by one torches randomly getting affected and I would treat torches one by one in kfc dip. Then I did full tank treatment with cipro twice, for 5 days and no help then 10 days no help

I solved the issue with Coral Infection Elimination - dipped all torches once for 30 min and did 5 day tank treatment. No losses since

 

[JoJosReef]

Did you double check the concentration of ciprofloxacin? Also, was the cipro expired?

When I do full tank treatment, I chop off the infected heads. I've never had an oozing head recover, and I think the bacterial load inside the skeleton may present problems with clearing the infection. To my knowledge, there has not been rigorous testing on concentration of cipro while varying "bacterial load". My knowledge is limited, so consider that, too :)

 

[Lavey29]

Also note that BJD typically arises do to something in your parameters being significantly off thus causing stress in your corals compromising their immune systems and letting BJD invade.

 

[Mike from Penna]

The cipro was new and I double checked the concentration based on multiple directions on reef2reef. A coral wholesaler has recommended I do a full tank chem clean and follow directions. I think Im going to give this a shot.

 

[Lavey29]

The cipro was new and I double checked the concentration based on multiple directions on reef2reef. A coral wholesaler has recommended I do a full tank chem clean and follow directions. I think Im going to give this a shot.

Chemiclean isn't going to do anything for BJD. Have you removed all the infected corals? What are your complete tank parameters including par and age of the tank. Any pics of infected corals? Did they have a foul smell?

 

[JayM]

Also note that BJD typically arises do to something in your parameters being significantly off thus causing stress in your corals compromising their immune systems and letting BJD invade.

Exactly. It seems to me that BJD may be the symptom, not so much the cause.

 

[Lavey29]

Exactly. It seems to me that BJD may be the symptom, not so much the cause.

Most of the time it is unless you accidentally bring an infected coral from your LFS or sometimes in shipping they develop BJD to from shipping stress. I've had some corals from WWC show up and the bag reaked of BJD and the coral was basically oozing from the heads. I'm sure it didn't come out of WWC frag tank like that but the shipping stress caused the BJD to develop.

 

[robanister]

I would cut the unhealthy ones and qt and treat. Also lugal iodine for 30 min incase of nudibranch or bacterial. Kcl dip every week?

 

[Stang67]

@F i s h y a candidate for your new treatment test for bjd?

 

[Mike from Penna]

Chemiclean isn't going to do anything for BJD. Have you removed all the infected corals? What are your complete tank parameters including par and age of the tank. Any pics of infected corals? Did they have a foul smell?

All corals in the tank show no signs of infection right now.
My tank is 4 years old.
Par ranges from 100 bottom to 275 top.
Sorry no photos of the infected corals.
Alkalinty: 8.6
Mag: 1397
Calcium: 410
I didn't notice a smell but didnt smell them closely.
Thanks for your assistance.

 

[Lavey29]

All corals in the tank show no signs of infection right now.
My tank is 4 years old.
Par ranges from 100 bottom to 275 top.
Sorry no photos of the infected corals.
Alkalinty: 8.6
Mag: 1397
Calcium: 410
I didn't notice a smell but didnt smell them closely.
Thanks for your assistance.

Those numbers are ok. What is nitrates and phosphate? One of the primary indicators of BJD aside from oozing brown jelly is a very foul odor. I'm glad you are seeing success.

 

[Mike from Penna]

Those numbers are ok. What is nitrates and phosphate? One of the primary indicators of BJD aside from oozing brown jelly is a very foul odor. I'm glad you are seeing success.

Nitrates: 9
Phosphate: 0.1

 

[F i s h y]

@Stang67 thanks for the mention. Always worth a shot.

I have recently had luck with saving the remaining heads of jellying torches using neosporin of all things. I'm on trial 2 3 heads first trial 4 heads 2nd trial and all 7 are still good. I put 1 teaspoon in approximately 1/4 gallon of water mix vigorously until the neosporin is completely broken up and the water is frothy. For my second time i actually put the neosporin in a 20 oz water bottle half full with tank water shook it a lot to really mix it, then added it to my dipping container. That batch of torches actually look better than my first do and I think it was because of the initial mixing.
I put the torches in the dip for 10 minutes then rinse twice and put back in tank. Make sure to use a turkey baster to gently move the water every once in a while. I also stopped bjd on a goni doing the same thing. It's anecdotal until more people try it, but you never know. It's like using stump remover, bayer, and intercept. You just never know. Reefers are quite ingenious. Use at your own risk and please if you do let me know how it works.

 

[Mike from Penna]

you can treat the tank but it’s possible your strain became resistant to antibiotics. Full tank treatment didn’t help me. I was having same situation. One by one torches randomly getting affected and I would treat torches one by one in kfc dip. Then I did full tank treatment with cipro twice, for 5 days and no help then 10 days no help

I solved the issue with Coral Infection Elimination - dipped all torches once for 30 min and did 5 day tank treatment. No losses since

@Stang67 thanks for the mention. Always worth a shot.

I have recently had luck with saving the remaining heads of jellying torches using neosporin of all things. I'm on trial 2 3 heads first trial 4 heads 2nd trial and all 7 are still good. I put 1 teaspoon in approximately 1/4 gallon of water mix vigorously until the neosporin is completely broken up and the water is frothy. For my second time i actually put the neosporin in a 20 oz water bottle half full with tank water shook it a lot to really mix it, then added it to my dipping container. That batch of torches actually look better than my first do and I think it was because of the initial mixing.
I put the torches in the dip for 10 minutes then rinse twice and put back in tank. Make sure to use a turkey baster to gently move the water every once in a while. I also stopped bjd on a goni doing the same thing. It's anecdotal until more people try it, but you never know. It's like using stump remover, bayer, and intercept. You just never know. Reefers are quite ingenious. Use at your own risk and please if you do let me know how it works.

That's interesting! Neosporin.

 

[Mike from Penna]

I had to dispose of another hammer today. I apologize the only photo taken was when it was out of the tank. My wife had already tanken it out of the tank and I didn't want to put it back in for a photo.

I smelled it this time and the only thing I could smell was saltwater.

 

[Goaway]

The problem I've noticed in the past, is any brown jelly makes it i to the connected skeleton. That infection travels up to the next polyp. The stems cant be treated. They have to be amputated. All rot has to be removed.

I hope your system has cleared up.

 

[Lavey29]

I had to dispose of another hammer today. I apologize the only photo taken was when it was out of the tank. My wife had already tanken it out of the tank and I didn't want to put it back in for a photo.

I smelled it this time and the only thing I could smell was saltwater.

Then it's probably not BJD. Did you see visible brown jelly oozing out of dead heads?

 

[Mike from Penna]

Out of the 6-7 pieces lost I only saw brown jelly oozing out on one of them.