Clowfish white spots

[HenryD]

Yesterday, the fish are totally normal. I did a water change last night. This morning I get this. Is this velvet on the clownfish. The fishes are in the tank for almost a year. I recently added a foxface and an anthias, the foxface has some white spot too and seem not to eat like yesterday. Only the clown fish and foxface and the anthias show this, the other fish are totally normal, the anthias seem to be beat up. Can someone give me some idea, is this velvet?
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[vetteguy53081]

Yesterday, the fish are totally normal. I did a water change last night. This morning I get this. Is this velvet on the clownfish. The fishes are in the tank for almost a year. I recently added a foxface and an anthias, the foxface has some white spot too and seem not to eat like yesterday. Only the clown fish and foxface and the anthias show this, the other fish are totally normal, the anthias seem to be beat up. Can someone give me some idea, is this velvet?

This is classic ich and you will need to place fish in Quarantine tank and treat with Coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25 for a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored with a Hanna Brand copper test kit- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone. All other fish in with it should also be removed as they have also been exposed to the parasites and placed in quarantine tank.
The display tank will have to be kept fishless (FALLOW) for 6-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off. Inverts and coral can remain in the display (not treatment) tank during fallow period.
A quarantine tank can be as simple as a tank from a second hand store, a Rubbermaid type tub or a starter kit from Walmart which most of the needed essentials.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Yesterday, the fish are totally normal. I did a water change last night. This morning I get this. Is this velvet on the clownfish. The fishes are in the tank for almost a year. I recently added a foxface and an anthias, the foxface has some white spot too and seem not to eat like yesterday. Only the clown fish and foxface and the anthias show this, the other fish are totally normal, the anthias seem to be beat up. Can someone give me some idea, is this velvet?

Yes - the clownfish and foxface have ich. I can't say what's going on with the anthias - it's been exposed to ich, but that lesion on its side could be Uronema

 

[HenryD]

Yesterday, the fish are totally normal. I did a water change last night. This morning I get this. Is this velvet on the clownfish. The fishes are in the tank for almost a year. I recently added a foxface and an anthias, the foxface has some white spot too and seem not to eat like yesterday. Only the clown fish and foxface and the anthias show this, the other fish are totally normal, the anthias seem to be beat up. Can someone give me some idea, is this velvet?

This is classic ich and you will need to place fish in Quarantine tank and treat with Coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25 for a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored with a Hanna Brand copper test kit- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone. All other fish in with it should also be removed as they have also been exposed to the parasites and placed in quarantine tank.
The display tank will have to be kept fishless (FALLOW) for 6-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off. Inverts and coral can remain in the display (not treatment) tank during fallow period.
A quarantine tank can be as simple as a tank from a second hand store, a Rubbermaid type tub or a starter kit from Walmart which most of the needed essentials.

I currently put the fish in QT with cupramine. Sadly the anthias didnt make it. Hopefully the rest will be ok. Thank you for the reply

 

[HenryD]

Yesterday, the fish are totally normal. I did a water change last night. This morning I get this. Is this velvet on the clownfish. The fishes are in the tank for almost a year. I recently added a foxface and an anthias, the foxface has some white spot too and seem not to eat like yesterday. Only the clown fish and foxface and the anthias show this, the other fish are totally normal, the anthias seem to be beat up. Can someone give me some idea, is this velvet?

Yes - the clownfish and foxface have ich. I can't say what's going on with the anthias - it's been exposed to ich, but that lesion on its side could be Uronema

Sadly the anthias didnt it. I found it gone few hours after this post, no sign of whit spots. It just passed away

The other fish are in QT with cupramine treatment. Hopefully they will be ok!

One more question, is it a good idea to use prazipro the same time as cupramine since I think the foxface also have black ich?

This photo is taken prior taking it out for QT tank.

Thank you for your reply

 

[Marine Betta]

Sadly the anthias didnt it. I found it gone few hours after this post, no sign of whit spots. It just passed away

The other fish are in QT with cupramine treatment. Hopefully they will be ok!

One more question, is it a good idea to use prazipro the same time as cupramine since I think the foxface also have black ich?

This photo is taken prior taking it out for QT tank.

Thank you for your reply

I'm sorry to hear about your anthias. That lesion looked like an acute bacterial infection or uronema. Either way, it's likely not contagious.

I'm not convinced that is black ich. Foxface's have a thick slime coat and will often form mucus cones in response to parasitic infections. Someone else can weigh in on that. Either way, do NOT treat with cupramine and prazipro at the same time. It will drastically reduce the dissolved oxygen in the water and the copper and prazipro may react with each other. Pure praziquantel might be safer, but I do not like mixing medications unless it is absolutely necessary.

Cupramine is harsher on fish and has a higher risk of toxicity/overdose than Copper Power and Coppersafe. This is is why Coppersafe and Copper Power are preferred. If using cupramine, the therapeutic treatment concentration is 0.5 ppm. Besides that, follow the protocol laid out by vetteguy.

 

[HenryD]

I'm sorry to hear about your anthias. That lesion looked like an acute bacterial infection or uronema. Either way, it's likely not contagious.

I'm not convinced that is black ich. Foxface's have a thick slime coat and will often form mucus cones in response to parasitic infections. Someone else can weigh in on that. Either way, do NOT treat with cupramine and prazipro at the same time. It will drastically reduce the dissolved oxygen in the water and the copper and prazipro may react with each other. Pure praziquantel might be safer, but I do not like mixing medications unless it is absolutely necessary.

Cupramine is harsher on fish and has a higher risk of toxicity/overdose than Copper Power and Coppersafe. This is is why Coppersafe and Copper Power are preferred. If using cupramine, the therapeutic treatment concentration is 0.5 ppm. Besides that, follow the protocol laid out by vetteguy.

Thank you, can I switch from cupramine to copper power while in the middle of the treatment. Only cupramine available at the time I put the fish in QT

 

[winxp_man]

Thank you, can I switch from cupramine to copper power while in the middle of the treatment. Only cupramine available at the time I put the fish in QT

Wouldn’t recommend doing a switch like that. Redo the QT tank. That anthias lesion looked like my last flame that had uronema. The anthias are prone to uronema.

When did you first see the spot/lesion on the anthias till it died? Was it hiding? Not eating?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Sadly the anthias didnt it. I found it gone few hours after this post, no sign of whit spots. It just passed away

The other fish are in QT with cupramine treatment. Hopefully they will be ok!

One more question, is it a good idea to use prazipro the same time as cupramine since I think the foxface also have black ich?

This photo is taken prior taking it out for QT tank.

Thank you for your reply

What level did you apply cupramine which is more potent version of copper?
Seems like uronema may be the issue with anthias which requires a different treatment regimen

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Sadly the anthias didnt it. I found it gone few hours after this post, no sign of whit spots. It just passed away

The other fish are in QT with cupramine treatment. Hopefully they will be ok!

One more question, is it a good idea to use prazipro the same time as cupramine since I think the foxface also have black ich?

This photo is taken prior taking it out for QT tank.

Thank you for your reply

Sorry to hear about the anthias, that lesion was suspicious for Uronema and that internal infection can't really be treated. Luckily, it isn't really contagious.

That doesn't look like black ich on the foxface, they do get that disease, but the cysts of that are smaller, with more defined margins. These could be granulation tissue that the fish develops at the site of an infection.

Turbellarians are not well controlled by prazi (despite what you'll read). Prazi works by relaxing certain worms so they fall off of a fish. Turbellarians are deeper under the skin and don't fall off readily.

I try to avoid recommending cupramine and prazi at the same time, I feel it is too stressful. In special cases, I'll run prazi with amine-chelated copper though.