Clownfish

[ReeferMo]

Yup, from Exotic.

Nice welcome

i would suggest you take back the fish to exotic and ask them for store credit
also ask them credit for the dead clown and i would use the credit on dry goods not other fish from him

also ask the pros here how to treat your tank to get rid of the brooklynella and properly nuke the tank from any leftovers of any other potential dieses that came with it

also you can dm me ill add you to our local WhatsApp group where ppl can lend you if you need any emergency equipment/ solution to borrow

Heimish

 

[David Sutton]

Hi, I am new to Saltwater. I recently bought a 57 gallon cube AIO. I bought saltwater and live rock from my LFS, and he also gave me some filter media from his system. He gave me instructions to start the fish tank and in a week come back and introduce some fish to it to start the cycle. A week later on a Thursday he told me to add 2 Clownfish and also told me to add another fish which I chose a Singapore Angel as he said it would help to cycle the tank which I did. Over the weekend the fishe we're fine and about Monday 1 of the clownfish started to show a white slime on it. Which got worse and 2 days later ended up dying. The other clownfish, ended up getting the same disease but only showed it on Tuesday - Wensday and ended up dying too. The Angel fish is still in the tank and is currently not showing any signs of disease and is shy but doesn't look sick. Now looking back I realized I definitely rushed into this and need to be smarter about how I proceed. I want to ask for some advise on how to proceed going forward. Should I leave the Angel in or should I QT it. I read on GROK that the tank is infected and that I need to QT the Angel and leave the tank empty for 90 days. Can anyone help? Thank you in advance.

Hi If anyone knows what the best course of action should be. I would really appreciate it! I am really hoping to not have to throw everything out and buy it all again as everything was quiet costly.

 

[ReeferMo]

Can you elaborate a bit on that? As far as I understand, nitrifying bacteria lives in the rock, substrate and biomedia, and not the water. As long as the rock was kept wet the entire time, I don't see a reason it would need to be cycled again

Hi If anyone knows what the best course of action should be. I would really appreciate it! I am really hoping to not have to throw everything out and buy it all again as everything was quite costly.

#reefsquad

 

[Freenow54]

Hi David I am backing away now. I hope you realize what a generous offer you received from reefermo. I have never witnessed that before , It regenerates my faith in this group after having no luck getting replies in the past . I hope you take full advantage of it , and Thank them here publicly

 

[tbrown]

So the biomedia and rock should have had sufficient bacteria to at least jump start the cycle which should have been plenty for adding a few fish. As stated by other posters, the water isn't the home of the bacteria, the rock, substrate, and media is.

There's a lot of accusations being thrown around about the decision to put fish in. Many people - successful and responsible fish keepers - put fish in their systems on day one or 2 by using the method utilized in this instance. Adding Dr Tim's is a great idea but all it does is double up the chances that there's active bacteria in the tank (which should be living on the live rock and in the used media to begin with).

What I would say is the most logical (and probably only correct argument so far) is that you were, unfortunately, sold sick fish.

Since you bought tank, rock, media, and water all from the store and then the fish from that same store, contact the store and let them know both clowns died and that you're worried about the Angel. Give them an opportunity to make things right.

Everyone wants to throw the LFS under the bus on this one but if the clowns weren't showing any signs symptoms of any illness, then potentially the only "wrong" they committed was allowing a customer to purchase a fish that would eventually outgrow their system.

 

[Freenow54]

So the biomedia and rock should have had sufficient bacteria to at least jump start the cycle which should have been plenty for adding a few fish. As stated by other posters, the water isn't the home of the bacteria, the rock, substrate, and media is.

There's a lot of accusations being thrown around about the decision to put fish in. Many people - successful and responsible fish keepers - put fish in their systems on day one or 2 by using the method utilized in this instance. Adding Dr Tim's is a great idea but all it does is double up the chances that there's active bacteria in the tank (which should be living on the live rock and in the used media to begin with).

What I would say is the most logical (and probably only correct argument so far) is that you were, unfortunately, sold sick fish.

Since you bought tank, rock, media, and water all from the store and then the fish from that same store, contact the store and let them know both clowns died and that you're worried about the Angel. Give them an opportunity to make things right.

Everyone wants to throw the LFS under the bus on this one but if the clowns weren't showing any signs symptoms of any illness, then potentially the only "wrong" they committed was allowing a customer to purchase a fish that would eventually outgrow their

So the biomedia and rock should have had sufficient bacteria to at least jump start the cycle which should have been plenty for adding a few fish. As stated by other posters, the water isn't the home of the bacteria, the rock, substrate, and media is.

There's a lot of accusations being thrown around about the decision to put fish in. Many people - successful and responsible fish keepers - put fish in their systems on day one or 2 by using the method utilized in this instance. Adding Dr Tim's is a great idea but all it does is double up the chances that there's active bacteria in the tank (which should be living on the live rock and in the used media to begin with).

What I would say is the most logical (and probably only correct argument so far) is that you were, unfortunately, sold sick fish.

Since you bought tank, rock, media, and water all from the store and then the fish from that same store, contact the store and let them know both clowns died and that you're worried about the Angel. Give them an opportunity to make things right.

Everyone wants to throw the LFS under the bus on this one but if the clowns weren't showing any signs symptoms of any illness, then potentially the only "wrong" they committed was allowing a customer to purchase a fish that would eventually outgrow their system.

How can anyone make a comment now . Since you set yourself up as an expert.

 

[tbrown]

I didn't set myself up as an expert... At least that wasn't what was intended. My intent was simply to bring the conversation back to the question that was asked.

Too often these "Help please!" threads turn into bashing and blaming rather than offering help.

@reefermo made a great offer of assistance in getting him set up with a group of people that can help as you pointed out.

All any of us can really do is offer our own experiences and hope to help others avoid some of the same mistakes.

 

[ReeferMo]

I didn't set myself up as an expert... At least that wasn't what was intended. My intent was simply to bring the conversation back to the question that was asked.

Too often these "Help please!" threads turn into bashing and blaming rather than offering help.

@reefermo made a great offer of assistance in getting him set up with a group of people that can help as you pointed out.

All any of us can really do is offer our own experiences and hope to help others avoid some of the same mistakes.

Correct. Thank you. The what to do and or how to do he would get the best advice here. But if he needs anything tangible to make it work we got him covered. It’s a petty when I see ppl entering the hobby and running into problems and they need to spend so much extra just to fix something when they can get it from a fellow local reefer. May it be a medication. A hospital tank an acclimation box an extra light or some rodi water. Local support is crucial

 

[Freenow54]

I didn't set myself up as an expert... At least that wasn't what was intended. My intent was simply to bring the conversation back to the question that was asked.

Too often these "Help please!" threads turn into bashing and blaming rather than offering help.

@reefermo made a great offer of assistance in getting him set up with a group of people that can help as you pointed out.

All any of us can really do is offer our own experiences and hope to help others avoid some of the same mistakes.

Ok I have calmed down . Just that I did not like the LFS getting off the hook , they should have better protocol , and better trained staff. I lost 17 in tank bred fish because of one , and some have tried to sell me things I don't want or need. I did write a nastier reply but did not post it because it would just make me look foolish. I just feel strongly about using live fish to cycle Tanks My article states they will likly die. That is all I know , and take the responsibility of taking care of helpless livestock with all care , and take failure on my part personally . Like losing a fish in Quarantine which I did. Hard for me to try again . Its like going to Vegas . I also did not understand the statement about sick fish . It seemed like conjecture as it was not mentioned by the owner although I don't know what Broklynella is yet. It is my today project. You have " Reef Squad " on your profile. That trumps anyone that may have something to offer . That made my opinions mute. I over reacted for that I apologize. I take exception to people who jump in deep water without researching , asking questions , and have a plan of attack, not having a disaster then seeking help . In that case I simply would have stated my opinion as pointed out to me respectfully then backed off. Again I have read some of your posts and am glad you are here with your knowledge.
Respectfully : Wally ( you notice I posted this publicly )

 

[Fish Fan]

I think maybe it would help to know that the members on the Reef Squad were not chosen because they are reefing experts (certainly not me at least!) and their opinion doesn't trump anyone else's opinion or advice. The Reef Squad exists in no small part to facilitate discussions and build community. Think of it less like reefing experts, and more like an R2R help squad.

I hope this helps

 

[tbrown]

I think maybe it would help to know that the members on the Reef Squad were not chosen because they are reefing experts (certainly not me at least!) and their opinion doesn't trump anyone else's opinion or advice. The Reef Squad exists in no small part to facilitate discussions and build community. Think of it less like reefing experts, and more like an R2R help squad.

I hope this helps

As stated very eloquently above, me having the Reef Squad badge doesn't make me an expert at all. In fact, as the quote in my signature more or less means to me, I've made lots of mistakes (and I've got plenty more to make).

The Reef Squad isn't here to prove people wrong, but instead to help. We're made up of moderators, some of the experts, and then a group of dedicated users that are here to help make this a more enjoyable place to be and help find answers and bring answers when we can.

 

[tbrown]

Ok I have calmed down . Just that I did not like the LFS getting off the hook , they should have better protocol , and better trained staff. I lost 17 in tank bred fish because of one , and some have tried to sell me things I don't want or need. I did write a nastier reply but did not post it because it would just make me look foolish. I just feel strongly about using live fish to cycle Tanks My article states they will likly die. That is all I know , and take the responsibility of taking care of helpless livestock with all care , and take failure on my part personally . Like losing a fish in Quarantine which I did. Hard for me to try again . Its like going to Vegas . I also did not understand the statement about sick fish . It seemed like conjecture as it was not mentioned by the owner although I don't know what Broklynella is yet. It is my today project. You have " Reef Squad " on your profile. That trumps anyone that may have something to offer . That made my opinions mute. I over reacted for that I apologize. I take exception to people who jump in deep water without researching , asking questions , and have a plan of attack, not having a disaster then seeking help . In that case I simply would have stated my opinion as pointed out to me respectfully then backed off. Again I have read some of your posts and am glad you are here with your knowledge.
Respectfully : Wally ( you notice I posted this publicly )

I appreciate this response. I may have come across wrong than I intended or my information was not correctly stated?

I am not at all disagreeing with you: I do not use live fish to cycle a tank, nor do I agree with people cycling their tanks with live fish.

What may have been misstated or misunderstood: When a tank is started with live rock, aged media, live sand, etc that is essentially the cycle taking place immediately. The main purpose of the cycle is to populate the nitrifying bacteria on the rocks, sand, and filter media which has already taken place in a different tank.

Can there be risks? Absolutely - there is nothing to stop all the bacteria from dying as soon as it gets added to the new aquarium. Best practice is to wait a day or two and test for ammonia and nitrites which should not be present if the bacteria is alive and doing it's job.

Again, I appreciate your response and didn't want to sound like I was calling you (or the article) wrong because you are 100% correct about using live fish to cycle being inhumane.