Current Quarantine Protocol

[MnFish1]

I’m at 1ml of ever clear per .15 gr of prazi for 15 gallons of tank water. As for aeration I start it 24 hours prior to the dose. I do have prazi pro, but after finding the pure stuff, rather run it vs the pro.

As for running the prazipro at 85% you see any issues with it not working as it should?

Are you talking about the 85% If dosed in.a display tank - 85% based on a calculation?

 

[winxp_man]

Are you talking about the 85% If dosed in.a display tank - 85% based on a calculation?

Just a question to Jay saying he has given the advice of running parazi pro at 85% dosage rate vs full. I’m thinking QT tanks. I don’t think I would have the courage to run prazipro in my DT’s haha. Fallow it is for me.

So was asking if Jay has run into issues using prazipro at 85%. As in it not being effective. I’m assuming possibly no. It’s it’s a recommendation he has given over years of trials.

 

[MnFish1]

Just a question to Jay saying he has given the advice of running parazi pro at 85% dosage rate vs full. I’m thinking QT tanks. I don’t think I would have the courage to run prazipro in my DT’s haha. Fallow it is for me.

So was asking if Jay has run into issues using prazipro at 85%. As in it not being effective. I’m assuming possibly no. It’s it’s a recommendation he has given over years of trials.

OH - the reason for the 85% is if you're using it in a display tank. with rock, etc - so it makes up the water displaced by those things in the tank. If you are doing a hospital/quarantine tank - you can dose the regular amount (if no rock etc)

 

[winxp_man]

OH - the reason for the 85% is if you're using it in a display tank. with rock, etc - so it makes up the water displaced by those things in the tank. If you are doing a hospital/quarantine tank - you can dose the regular amount (if no rock etc)

Ahhh okay. Makes sense since you might not have an exact displacement number for rocks and other things in the DT.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I’m at 1ml of ever clear per .15 gr of prazi for 15 gallons of tank water. As for aeration I start it 24 hours prior to the dose. I do have prazi pro, but after finding the pure stuff, rather run it vs the pro.

As for running the prazipro at 85% you see any issues with it not working as it should?

The 85% dose of Prazipro still works, and it limits the dose a bit to offset displacement from items in the tank.
We run into issues with people overdosing with Prazipro due to water displacement from tank decorations as well as not calculating actual tank volumes - a standard 10 gallon tank actually only holds about 8.5 gallons for example.
Any prazi + solvent product has this issue - plain prazi powder doesn’t.

 

[winxp_man]

The 85% dose of Prazipro still works, and it limits the dose a bit to offset displacement from items in the tank.
We run into issues with people overdosing with Prazipro due to water displacement from tank decorations as well as not calculating actual tank volumes - a standard 10 gallon tank actually only holds about 8.5 gallons for example.
Any prazi + solvent product has this issue - plain prazi powder doesn’t.

Makes sense. Same goes for a 20 long for example. I measure interior dimensions, or use buckets with exact measurement increments written on them. This keeps things simple in regards to tank volume as a known gallon amount. I dump 15 gallons, then load the filters, after which I draw a permanent marker line on the tank where the water levels off. Then write down the proper volume I’m dealing with, and helps me keep the tank topped off with FW for evap.

Playing the guessing game can be an issue with meds, and chemicals of such magnitude for sure, and dead fish can come about 100%. I have syringes for all kinds of measuring needs haha. I’m a nut case about it. But helps keep things correctly dosed.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Makes sense. Same goes for a 20 long for example. I measure interior dimensions, or use buckets with exact measurement increments written on them. This keeps things simple in regards to tank volume as a known gallon amount. I dump 15 gallons, then load the filters, after which I draw a permanent marker line on the tank where the water levels off. Then write down the proper volume I’m dealing with, and helps me keep the tank topped off with FW for evap.

Playing the guessing game can be an issue with meds, and chemicals of such magnitude for sure, and dead fish can come about 100%. I have syringes for all kinds of measuring needs haha. I’m a nut case about it. But helps keep things correctly dosed.

You can also buy a digital gram scale from Amazon. I got one for $16 that works really well.

 

[winxp_man]

Yes it’s what I use. I got one that does .0000 in gr. Solid little scale.

 

[kboogie]

I just dosed my Prazi powder. I expressed 0.26 grams into about 30 gallons using a Reef Diaper. I know how I will change the expression process in the future. I should cut the Reef Diaper shorter, and I will overdose by 10% to account for the loss in the transfer from the measuring cup to the Reef Diaper.

 

[kboogie]

I'm having the weirdest experience. I'm over 30 days into my CopperSafe. I did a 75% water change two weeks in because a mussel fouled up the water. My copper never dropped below 2.01 ppm and started at 2.65 then 2.35 after the water change. I was between 2.25 and 2.65 for most of the treatment. My juvi Emporer has a moderate case of lymphocystis but my PBT and Hippo tank had no signs of the virus. Last week I notice to circular spots on the tail of my emperor and a similar spot on the head of my Hippo Tang. Shockingly, the PBT has no signs of any spots or lympho. I can't believe that the spots are ich but in either case, I've restarted the clock on my QT and plan to wait for the spots to disappear and then 30 days after that. I've never had a breakthrough ich infection while under copper. I can't get a good picture because of the movement of the fish and particles in the aquarium.
Does this make sense to anyone?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I'm having the weirdest experience. I'm over 30 days into my CopperSafe. I did a 75% water change two weeks in because a mussel fouled up the water. My copper never dropped below 2.01 ppm and started at 2.65 then 2.35 after the water change. I was between 2.25 and 2.65 for most of the treatment. My juvi Emporer has a moderate case of lymphocystis but my PBT and Hippo tank had no signs of the virus. Last week I notice to circular spots on the tail of my emperor and a similar spot on the head of my Hippo Tang. Shockingly, the PBT has no signs of any spots or lympho. I can't believe that the spots are ich but in either case, I've restarted the clock on my QT and plan to wait for the spots to disappear and then 30 days after that. I've never had a breakthrough ich infection while under copper. I can't get a good picture because of the movement of the fish and particles in the aquarium.
Does this make sense to anyone?

Tough to say without a clear picture. Ich spots change location every few days, so if you’re seeing the same spots in the same location it isn’t ich. Ich will be pinhead sized, slightly raised spots. Sounds to me that this isn’t ich, but it could be a bacterial issue.

 

[kboogie]

I'm having the weirdest experience. I'm over 30 days into my CopperSafe. I did a 75% water change two weeks in because a mussel fouled up the water. My copper never dropped below 2.01 ppm and started at 2.65 then 2.35 after the water change. I was between 2.25 and 2.65 for most of the treatment. My juvi Emporer has a moderate case of lymphocystis but my PBT and Hippo tank had no signs of the virus. Last week I notice to circular spots on the tail of my emperor and a similar spot on the head of my Hippo Tang. Shockingly, the PBT has no signs of any spots or lympho. I can't believe that the spots are ich but in either case, I've restarted the clock on my QT and plan to wait for the spots to disappear and then 30 days after that. I've never had a breakthrough ich infection while under copper. I can't get a good picture because of the movement of the fish and particles in the aquarium.
Does this make sense to anyone?

Tough to say without a clear picture. Ich spots change location every few days, so if you’re seeing the same spots in the same location it isn’t ich. Ich will be pinhead sized, slightly raised spots. Sounds to me that this isn’t ich, but it could be a bacterial issue.

I think it is lympho. The spots have been in the same location for over a week. The ones on the tail of my Emperor are starting to go away now that his lympho is going away.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I think it is lympho. The spots have been in the same location for over a week. The ones on the tail of my Emperor are starting to go away now that his lympho is going away.

I just posted an article on lymphocystis:

Lymphocystis (cauliflower disease)

This is a short article on the viral disease, Lymphocystis

www.reef2reef.com

 

[kboogie]

My Hippo Tang and PBT have cleared any signs of lymphocystis. My juvenile Emperor Angel has just one patch at the top of the dorsal fin. The other numerous patches on the other fins are gone. I am going to move the Tangs into the DT tonight. They have gone through four rounds of prazi and 40 days of copper. I kinda want to move the Emperor too, but I'm not sure. If I don't move the Emperor now, he might get stuck in another 50 days of QT because I have another batch of fish arriving on Thursday. Who thinks I should move the Emperor to the DT even though he still has a patch of lymphocystis?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

My Hippo Tang and PBT have cleared any signs of lymphocystis. My juvenile Emperor Angel has just one patch at the top of the dorsal fin. The other numerous patches on the other fins are gone. I am going to move the Tangs into the DT tonight. They have gone through four rounds of prazi and 40 days of copper. I kinda want to move the Emperor too, but I'm not sure. If I don't move the Emperor now, he might get stuck in another 50 days of QT because I have another batch of fish arriving on Thursday. Who thinks I should move the Emperor to the DT even though he still has a patch of lymphocystis?

Can you post a pic? If it is for certain that it is Lymphocystis, virtually all fish that have been through the supply chain have been exposed to it, so there is little to no risk that the emperor will carry the virus over to other fish. the only exception might be a naive fish, but susceptible fish, never exposed to the virus, like a tank raised royal gramma, but then, it would just get the lesions and heal itself in a month or so.

 

[kboogie]

Can you post a pic? If it is for certain that it is Lymphocystis, virtually all fish that have been through the supply chain have been exposed to it, so there is little to no risk that the emperor will carry the virus over to other fish. the only exception might be a naive fish, but susceptible fish, never exposed to the virus, like a tank raised royal gramma, but then, it would just get the lesions and heal itself in a month or so.

I'll do one better. Here is a video at the peak and another from today.

Peak



Today

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I'll do one better. Here is a video at the peak and another from today.

Peak



Today

 

[kboogie]

I'll do one better. Here is a video at the peak and another from today.

Peak



Today

I’m not sure the labeling of the videos was done well on my part. The video where the lympho is bad and on almost every fin edge is from three weeks ago. The video where the only remaining spot of lympho is a modest sized spot on the dorsal fin is from yesterday. It is about 90% cleared up. My bad on not making the video labeling more clear.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I’m not sure the labeling of the videos was done well on my part. The video where the lympho is bad and on almost every fin edge is from three weeks ago. The video where the only remaining spot of lympho is a modest sized spot on the dorsal fin is from yesterday. It is about 90% cleared up. My bad on not making the video labeling more clear.

Sorry, I was on my phone and didn’t look at the video labels - I think you can move the angel no problem.

 

[kboogie]

Sorry, I was on my phone and didn’t look at the video labels - I think you can move the angel no problem.

Have you seen any research into the impact of ozone on Lymphocystis? I ask because the last big patch of Lymphocystis that was on my Emperor is gone after one night in my DT where I run ozone (330mv in the DT, 400mv in the sump). I'm sure the more logical thing is that it fell off as part of natural healing, but I can't help but wonder if the ozone had any impact, even if it is just accelerated healing from higher oxygen levels.