Do I have velvet or what?

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HLLE is a disease that afflicts many of the ornamental marine fish in our hobby. The acronym stands for Head and Lateral Line Erosion. Fish suffering from HLLE will develop pitted holes that usually start around the eye area and continue, forming a line towards the tail.
Surgeonfish and angelfish are the most common families of saltwater fish to suffer from HLLE, but other families of marine fish have been known to develop the disease as well. HLLE is rarely fatal, but if left untreated it will cause horrific and permanent scars on the animal. The main threat to the life of the fish is from secondary infections that can result from the open wounds created by HLLE.
Head and Lateral Line Erosion disease does not impact many fish outside of the saltwater aquarium hobby. Lack of commercial interest has resulted in almost no funding for proper scientific study of the disease. This has caused HLLE research to be mainly conducted by hobbyists. Rampant speculation, anecdotal or outright conflicting evidence constantly swirl around the affliction.
Just to be clear, HLLE is never Directly fatal, and rarely even causes comorbidity. I do not see any evidence of HLLE n this fish.
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Just to be clear, HLLE is never Directly fatal, and rarely even causes comorbidity. I do not see any evidence of HLLE n this fish.
Jay
It is very concerning as I have lost beautiful fishes that they was with me for over 5 years all in a matter of 2-3 months, the sandy appearance that cover their bodies is another thing, I don't see signs of illness but I know something is wrong as I'm loosing them, yesterday my yellow tang was fine this morning is gone....
 

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Oh wow ok I think I can rule out ammiona burns 100% HLLE
Sorry, there is no evidence that fish has HLLE. I’m still working through all of the posts, but this seems to be velvet/bacterial, but I’m still looking for confirmation that there isn’t any ammonia issues. This fish does have erosion of its fins, but the points are too pointed to be YT HLLE.
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Sorry, there is no evidence that fish has HLLE. I’m still working through all of the posts, but this seems to be velvet/bacterial, but I’m still looking for confirmation that there isn’t any ammonia issues. This fish does have erosion of its fins, but the points are too pointed to be YT HLLE.
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Bingo! Jay I did notice the same thing but did not mention, again the ammonia 2 days ago when I check it with the appi test was in the second color yellow green but very slightly as I mention before I did a massive water change and move the sand a lot to vaccum the sand bed on the tank.... I'm planning to do another water change of 30 more gallons this week, nitrates was little high and I'm start to bring them down with the water changes, phosphate is a pain in the neck are this persist on the elevated number even when I have a phos reactor thing that is suppose to eliminate the phosphate
 
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Update:

this morning i thought this guy was death but he show up few minutes ago and looking terrible..... it has a lot of white film on him his eyes looks bad as well but he still alive, i try to take clear pics but he didn’t came out from behind the rock much but enough to tell there’s something wrong with my tank ( look at 3rd pic)
How i’m going to take care of this? Take the whole tank down and start all over again?
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Sorry , I couldn’t make out in details in those pictures, I know fish are hard to get clear images of!
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Velvet does occasionally kill a fish in the gills before it shows spots on the fish. The fish will usually still breathe heavily, swim in to power heads for more oxygen (tangs especially), hide from light, and become cryptic/lethargic. Color loss can be an indicator of very serious issues with parasites in the gills, such as this.

I’ve had velvet for this to me once for a few months before I quarantined. I kept looking for “dustings” and spots. Finally, a fish showed the classic velvet symptom and I figured it out... but it was devastating :(
 
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Velvet does occasionally kill a fish in the gills before it shows spots on the fish. The fish will usually still breathe heavily, swim in to power heads for more oxygen (tangs especially), hide from light, and become cryptic/lethargic. Color loss can be an indicator of very serious issues with parasites in the gills, such as this.

I’ve had velvet for this to me once for a few months before I quarantined. I kept looking for “dustings” and spots. Finally, a fish showed the classic velvet symptom and I figured it out... but it was devastating :(
Yes it is i’m not planing to replace my losses as I’m not sure what i’m dealing with, i can have velvet but also I can have at the same time other issues that I need to have clear, unfortunately the video i took it shows my goby and other key points to be able to identify the issue
 
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I keep trying to post pictures and updates, just notice my clownfish has his fins little weird looks like something is eating on them, also finally i was able to get a better picture of the goby
 

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I catch the goby and put it on a fresh water bath, you can see that have like a slimy coat and is coming off on the fresh water

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Do you have a hospital tank that you can treat the fish in I would treat all the fish with copper power and seachem metroplex
 

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