Do I have velvet or what?

[Marie7]

Sorry, there is no evidence that fish has HLLE. I’m still working through all of the posts, but this seems to be velvet/bacterial, but I’m still looking for confirmation that there isn’t any ammonia issues. This fish does have erosion of its fins, but the points are too pointed to be YT HLLE.
Jay

I guess I should treat my tank for velvet? how should I follow regarding cleaning and cure this tank, I'm a little bit concern about my anemones and corals, any guide and advise will be greatly appreciated Jay , as well as every one whom has put input on this ..

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I'm still not able to pin down a diagnosis. The sandstorm on your rocks puzzles me. Everything points to velvet EXCEPT the long time between fish losses. That leaves bacterial or water quality issues. I presume this tank has corals in it that are thriving? If so, it isn't water quality, if not, we should delve into that some more. What fish do you have left and do any of them show symptoms?

Please bear in mind that you are going to have very limited options unless you set up a QT.

Jay

 

[Marie7]

I'm still not able to pin down a diagnosis. The sandstorm on your rocks puzzles me. Everything points to velvet EXCEPT the long time between fish losses. That leaves bacterial or water quality issues. I presume this tank has corals in it that are thriving? If so, it isn't water quality, if not, we should delve into that some more. What fish do you have left and do any of them show symptoms?

Please bear in mind that you are going to have very limited options unless you set up a QT.

Jay

Hi Jay:
I still have two maroons clown fishes, one of then is starting to hide and go away from view that;'s a sign of something going on, the fins on one of them is starting to look a touch like the yellow tang pointing, the sailfin has like a yellow brownish tint on the bottom fin towards the tail, besides that oh and the foxface which is one of the oldest I have looks ok I'm checking frequently on him they are eating, I did not saw the maroon comes out and eat or the sailfin, I'm setting up a QT tank today I need a little help on that...what kind of water, how much and what medication to add for how long, sadly last night I lost my goby It was to expect but I did notice that when i put him to give him a fresh water bath the film he had over his body start to comes off his body but unfortunately die, now I need to save the 4 left, the film on the rocks that looks like dust troubles me too it seens like the appearance take over the fishes as well, I believe more than anything I have a bacterial issue on the tank I'm questioning the velvet issue as the pics I have seen with velvet don't looks like my losses, Thanks again Jay

 

[Jay Hemdal]

You need to mix up saltwater for your QT that matches the temp and salinity of your DT, then move the fish over. Critical will be your need to manage the biological wastes in the QT. You need to test ammonia daily and keep it below 0.25 ppm at all times. How to do that? It would take HUGE water changes, possibly up to 100% per day. You can add live beneficial bacteria from a bottle, but I’ve had mixed results from that. The best way to handle it is to transfer a biofilter over to the QT. I keep sponge filters running in sumps for that use. You could try moving live rock over to serve that purpose.

If you think this is bacterial, you’ll then want to dose the QT with a broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic. Do you have any on hand?
Jay

 

[Marie7]

You need to mix up saltwater for your QT that matches the temp and salinity of your DT, then move the fish over. Critical will be your need to manage the biological wastes in the QT. You need to test ammonia daily and keep it below 0.25 ppm at all times. How to do that? It would take HUGE water changes, possibly up to 100% per day. You can add live beneficial bacteria from a bottle, but I’ve had mixed results from that. The best way to handle it is to transfer a biofilter over to the QT. I keep sponge filters running in sumps for that use. You could try moving live rock over to serve that purpose.

If you think this is bacterial, you’ll then want to dose the QT with a broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic. Do you have any on hand?
Jay

No i have to get that Jay but I want to share this with you, whatever it is in my tank is kli g and affecting faster now, look at this pictures from one of my clowns which i did not saw yesterday but it’s there today, i need to identify tjis quicker to treated correctly.., Eyes look cloudy today as well, i have not seen today the sailfin

 

[NJDragonet]

@Jay Hemdal this is beyond my knowledge to me it looks like either HLLE or Fin Rot what are your thoughts

 

[SaltyT]

Yikes! You have a very aggressive bacterial issue. I would treat with a broad spectrum antibiotic asap. I'm afraid time is not on your side

 

[Marie7]

@Jay Hemdal this is beyond my knowledge to me it looks like either HLLE or Fin Rot what are your thoughts

Njcoral did u saw how ugly is turning?

 

[Marie7]

Yikes! You have a very aggressive bacterial issue. I would treat with a broad spectrum antibiotic asap. I'm afraid time is not on your side

I’m afraid too, no idea what could have start this issue, i lost beautiful fishes you can see them from previous postings before, all i did was change my water but move a lot of my sand bed too saturday not sure if that fuel it, but previously i already start to loss fishes misteriously

 

[NJDragonet]

Njcoral did u saw how ugly is turning?

In my 21 years I have never seen anything as bad as this one

 

[Jay Hemdal]

No i have to get that Jay but I want to share this with you, whatever it is in my tank is kli g and affecting faster now, look at this pictures from one of my clowns which i did not saw yesterday but it’s there today, i need to identify tjis quicker to treated correctly.., Eyes look cloudy today as well, i have not seen today the sailfin

Oh my, that is a serious infection. I think it is bacterial, but I had a recent case that looked just like this, that ended up being fungal (which was surprising, because external fungal infections are very rare in marine fish). I was able to treat that fungal infection with daily 75 ppm formalin dips, but formalin is really difficult for home aquarists to get. Since you don't have the ability to put the fish in a QT, I'm pretty limited in what I can suggest. The best that I can offer is to look for a "reef safe" tonic to try. These often fail, because in order to be safe for the invertebrates, they need to be very low dosage. You could also try true antibiotic dips, but that would require catching the fish out and putting them in the bath daily. I checked my references, and could not locate a commercially available antibiotic that can be used as a dip. Oxytetracycline can be used as a daily dip for one hour at 50 mg/l, but I couldn't find a place for you to buy that.

Jay

 

[SaltyT]

It's tough to say how this happened, but usually when this many fish are affected something else lowered their immune systems enough to take hold. I don't recall if you posted about adding anything new to the tank recently... a fish, coral, live rock, invert, anemone? I know you mentioned in another thread that you were dealing with water quality issues recently (most of us do at some point). You had several fish with large bioloads in your tank, perhaps tank maintenance slipped ... does this correlate to when the fish losses started to occur? Regardless of how it happened, I'm sorry you're going through it.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

@Jay Hemdal this is beyond my knowledge to me it looks like either HLLE or Fin Rot what are your thoughts

Not HLLE, see my response below. It took me some time to write, so I think it came in after you tagged me...

Jay

 

[Marie7]

Oh my, that is a serious infection. I think it is bacterial, but I had a recent case that looked just like this, that ended up being fungal (which was surprising, because external fungal infections are very rare in marine fish). I was able to treat that fungal infection with daily 75 ppm formalin dips, but formalin is really difficult for home aquarists to get. Since you don't have the ability to put the fish in a QT, I'm pretty limited in what I can suggest. The best that I can offer is to look for a "reef safe" tonic to try. These often fail, because in order to be safe for the invertebrates, they need to be very low dosage. You could also try true antibiotic dips, but that would require catching the fish out and putting them in the bath daily. I checked my references, and could not locate a commercially available antibiotic that can be used as a dip. Oxytetracycline can be used as a daily dip for one hour at 50 mg/l, but I couldn't find a place for you to buy that.

Jay

Uffff what options do i have? I feel like tear down Completely my tank and , dispose sand and corals and start all over again, iwhats going to guarantee that i’m going to be safe, i expend lot of money and time on this reef it’s been my pride a d it wS looking good again unti this hit my tank no clue no idea where it came from, or how did it came from, the most i bought wS corals my mistake not give them a bath before putting them on my big tank, I have a lot of live rock that has corals on, saturday i bought that precious rock in front of the tank where the anemone is... is very stressful and sad...thanks Jay and everyone trying to identify down what this is

 

[Marie7]

Oh my, that is a serious infection. I think it is bacterial, but I had a recent case that looked just like this, that ended up being fungal (which was surprising, because external fungal infections are very rare in marine fish). I was able to treat that fungal infection with daily 75 ppm formalin dips, but formalin is really difficult for home aquarists to get. Since you don't have the ability to put the fish in a QT, I'm pretty limited in what I can suggest. The best that I can offer is to look for a "reef safe" tonic to try. These often fail, because in order to be safe for the invertebrates, they need to be very low dosage. You could also try true antibiotic dips, but that would require catching the fish out and putting them in the bath daily. I checked my references, and could not locate a commercially available antibiotic that can be used as a dip. Oxytetracycline can be used as a daily dip for one hour at 50 mg/l, but I couldn't find a place for you to buy that.

Jay

Jay what are the risk on my invertebrates and corals an infection lime this?

 

[Marie7]

Do you guys think that the water change i made saturday(the largest i made in a one time) would have accelerate this? Or initiate to develop at a fast rate? Maybe this bacteria was under the sand and it trigger this when i move all that sand cleaning the bottom somethi g i stop doing months ago

 

[Marie7]

Ok everyone i was not able to get a QT tank today as i wanted but i made a temporary myself until tomorrow, i was able to get little guy and put him on the temp bucket, he seens to be happy there but we see tomorrow, i wasn’t able to catch the foxface, no clue what happen to the other clown or the salfin, i start medication until tomorrow that the store opens

 

[Marie7]

Good morning every one, it is 4:10 am it’s my time to go to sleep while others are starting to get up to go to work.... I couldn’t sleep trying to save my clown whom apparently was better after i put him on a temporary bucket to get a fish tank and make it a QT, unfortunately little clown die too after a while swimming on the bucket, a thread that dtart showing off our tanks and enjoying others pictures and beauty of their hard work for me has end up in a rescue mission of my fishes For something we are not sure and we don’t know.
I mention earlier that i haven’t saw my sailfin and the other clown, well i found it at least, the sailfin was death, now something very disturbing is the way i found him part of his face gone, my clown and foxface been together for so long didnt show aggressiveness towards other fishes, i’m dtarting to think theres more going on in my tank than what i’m seeing besides whatever infection i have, the only fish left at this point if the foxface, i lost every fish and i’m planing hosedown my aquarium and all rocks on it and start from cero again, do I have a bobbit worm too? Puzzles me all this . I’m intending set up a QT tank still.
( Ps: by the way I found a hole on the clown and prior to die when he was swimming he was looking for objects where he can scratch against, this time fish wasn’t slimy as previous)

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Jay what are the risk on my invertebrates and corals an infection lime this?

No risk at all. Definitely do NOT tear your tank down! Bacteria that cause infections in fish are ubiquitous they are found in every tank, in this case, they became infective. If the problem is fungal, same deal. If the disease was caused by protozoan or metazoan parasites, those are NOT found in every tank, but will die out if you leave the tank fishless (just inverts) for 45 to 80 days.
Jay

 

[Sleeping Giant]

What's the tank lol like with the other fish, a picture speaks volumes