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Of course I don't do that as it would be 100% opposite of what I believe.
I also never de wormed a fish. Maybe 80% of fish have worms, I never counted, but maybe the worms are eliminated naturally in healthy fish. If not, why do they not harm my fish?
About treating prophalatically (I can't spell that) We are failing to realize the role bacteria play in fish. It's the bacteria that keep the fish healthy. The correct bacteria. Treating with antibiotics or even copper will totally screw up the ratio of bacteria where the fish may never recover.
I wrote extensibly on this on the last quarantine thread and I didn't make that up. The bacteria the fish come to us with from the sea is what they need and it doesn't last forever which is why I feed clams from the sea. That bacteria is what the fish uses to make it's immune system and without a functioning immune system, that fish is very flawed. It is exactly like a person after chemo treatment. Do they look healthy? They may live, but they are miserable.
The correct bacteria is much more important to the fish than having a few intestonal worms that barely hurt the fish and may be eliminated in time with a good diet (but I am guessing)
I know worms can't be to bad as I never had any problems with them and never de wormed anything.
Healthy, spawning long lived fish need that fresh, live bacteria and if you quarantine a fish for an extended amount of time, that bacteria will be taken over by the bacteria in the flake food, or pellets, oatmeal or whatever people feed their fish and the fish will never have an immune system which is why even though I asked 3 times, I still don't see any pictures of old, quarantined, spawning fish in an old system. What happened to those fish? Why aren't they dying of old age in 15 or 20 years? WE are talking about thousands of fish we took out of the sea. Where are they?
Mine are still happily living and making out their wills for when the day comes far into the future as my fish can't get sick. Their bacteria makes sure of that.
Just keep the bacteria alive that the fish came with and you will have no problems.
I don't know about that, but remember, I am not trying to eliminate parasites, just the opposite so if ich can fly, they can fly into my tank as I welcome the extra immunity.
There is a difference for example between a 'fluke' and a 'protozoan'. Just like there is a difference between a wood tick and a protozoan. Fish can become immune to Ich - they produce antibodies specifically against strains of ich to which they were exposed. They also have direct T cell immunity. Vaccines have been developed for Ich - but administration has been an issue.Ich is a parasite. Fish, in the span of one life time, can not develop an immunity to ich. Just as humans can't develop an immunity to lice, deer can't develop an immunity to ticks, and dogs can't develop an immunity to fleas.
Due to billions of years of evolution, some species of fish are better hosts to ich than others. Just as some mammals are better hosts to a particular parasite than others. We're not going to change this in our life time. The ich parasite prefers some species of fish over others. Just as dogs are not likely to become infested with lice, and humans are not likely to become infested with fleas, despite the fact that we're both mammals. These relationships were forged over billions of years of evolution.
An individual fish, of a given species, that is a good host to ich, will always be a good host to ich, and there's nothing we can do to change that.
We can not expose a dog to fleas and expect it to develop an immunity to fleas. We can't feed it well, and provide probiotics to build an immunity to fleas. It doesn't work that way.
With all the respect in the world......
Peace
EC
Unfortunately - cant see the video - who is the vendor? PS - thats why its commonly mentioned that fish selection / vendor selection is important.Here is an example of the parasite load on fish being shipped from one of the largest most well regarded wholesalers in the US. They don't quarantine, pass the fish onto a LFS that likely doesn't quarantine either, and then onto the consumer.
I do not quarantine and never have. I am 59 and have always been a hobbyist, as my mother was raising seahorses before I was born.I read Paul's post about his method (no quarantine") and I liked it. It sounds logical and it's the way nature works. However, I see that there are way more people who quarantine fish than those who don't. So then his method is not welcomed? And it's not right? What do you think?
(https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-other-way-to-run-a-reef-tank-no-quarantine.534274/)
Off Topic, sorry, but what is this fish? Looks neat!
Ich is a parasite. Fish, in the span of one life time, can not develop an immunity to ich.
There is a difference for example between a 'fluke' and a 'protozoan'
Heres my question to all those who do quarantine-sorry if it's been asked before...
Do you keep all new corals, shrimp, hermits, snails, starfish etc in a fallow tank for 8 weeks?
I can not open the document. I wanna read it!Here is an example of the parasite load on fish being shipped from one of the largest most well regarded wholesalers in the US. They don't quarantine, pass the fish onto a LFS that likely doesn't quarantine either, and then onto the consumer.
I have no idea and was hoping someone could tell me. I have it a few years and it is very cool. As is this Perchlet. I like unusual fish and am tired of angels and tangs as they are to boring and common. But how many of these have you seen?
hawk fish (Plectranthias inermis)
@Lasse will know what isI have no idea and was hoping someone could tell me. I have it a few years and it is very cool. As is this Perchlet. I like unusual fish and am tired of angels and tangs as they are to boring and common. But how many of these have you seen?
They don't have to. They come to us already immune. Immunity that they got from their Mother.
This is a fluke. I don't have a picture of a protozoan but I could probably find one of a Duck Billed Platypus.
Heres my question to all those who do quarantine-sorry if it's been asked before...
Do you keep all new corals, shrimp, hermits, snails, starfish etc in a fallow tank for 8 weeks?
Conditioning tank sounds great.Its not black and white.
I quarantine but my QT tank is more of a conditioning tank, it has live rock and macro algae...and pretty much looks exactly like a DT would (just no corals) whereas others QT everything with pvc and copper.
I use a conditioning tank to overfeed the fish and make sure they are healthy and robust before adding to my DT. It has been wonderful for more picky fish from leopard wrasse to yellow-stripe clingfish which may need special attention to detail and training to foods free from competition of a busy reef tank.