Dosing Fe & Mn recommandations

[Tmmste]

Today I received Mn-EDTA. it is 6%.. but is this by volume or weight?... 1 liter weighs 1.34 kG.. would it be 6 grams or 8.04 grams?

Apart from that.. it will be pretty concentrated stuff.. if it is by weight it wil contain 8040ppm. 1 drop is 0.38ppm (1/21 of a ml.. 1000ml is a bottle). so for my 400l tank.. 1 drop is 9ppb right? that is almost 5x the recommended amount..

If someone can confirm this, thank you!

 

[Tmmste]

Today I received Mn-EDTA. it is 6%.. but is this by volume or weight?... 1 liter weighs 1.34 kG.. would it be 6 grams or 8.04 grams?

Apart from that.. it will be pretty concentrated stuff.. if it is by weight it wil contain 8040ppm. 1 drop is 0.38ppm (1/21 of a ml.. 1000ml is a bottle). so for my 400l tank.. 1 drop is 9ppb right? that is almost 5x the recommended amount..

If someone can confirm this, thank you!

I mean 0.9 ppb.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

If you have a solid dissolved in a liquid, % really can’t be anything except weight percent. 6 wt % = 60,000 ppm.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

You weighed 1 liter of this material to be 1.34 kg?

 

[Tmmste]

You weighed 1 liter of this material to be 1.34 kg?

It is stated on the bottle, see attachment. I think I heavily overdosed with 1 drop:

.. 0,06 x 1340 grams = 80,4 gr manganese. Is 80400 ppm. So 1 drop is 80400 / 21000 = 3,83 ppm!... for my 400l tank.. that would be a rise of 3,83 / 400 = 9,57 ppb. that is.. way to much.
So I cross my fingers the ATS will absorb some Mn... tank still looked good this morning... dosed it yesterday in the afternoon... and hope to dodge a tank crash.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Where does the 6% number come from?

 

[Tmmste]

Where does the 6% number come from?

https://www.deoplosmiddelspecialist.nl/kopen/Mangaanchelaat-EDTA-6

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

FWIW, I can't tell if that product is 6% manganese or 6% manganese EDTA = 1 % manganese by weight.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

If the weight of 1l is accurate, it can’t be just 6% manganese edta. Would have to have 6% Mn, or something else also in it.

 

[Tmmste]

If the weight of 1l is accurate, it can’t be just 6% manganese edta. Would have to have 6% Mn, or something else also in it.

I asked for more information, but still can't tell as far as I can see.

 

[zachtos]

For calculation of fergon, please correct me if wrong:
55.8 g/mol Fe / 448.156 g/mol (fergon) = 12.4% by weight iron?

27mg / 100g * 1g / 1000mg = 0.00027 * 12.4% = 0.00003348 or 33.5ppm solution

now raise 0.1ug/L

33.5ppm x mL = 0.1ug/L x 100 gallon x 3.785L / gallon
x mL = 37.85 / 33.5
1.13 mL raises 100 gallon of water by 0.1ug (micro gram)

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

For calculation of fergon, please correct me if wrong:
55.8 g/mol Fe / 448.156 g/mol (fergon) = 12.4% by weight iron?

27mg / 100g * 1g / 1000mg = 0.00027 * 12.4% = 0.00003348 or 33.5ppm solution

now raise 0.1ug/L

33.5ppm x mL = 0.1ug/L x 100 gallon x 3.785L / gallon
x mL = 37.85 / 33.5
1.13 mL raises 100 gallon of water by 0.1ug (micro gram)

The first line of calculations is not needed or useful.

Also, no hobby-available test can detect natural levels, so one just needs to pick a dose and use it. Not sure how you selected 0.1 ug/L, but that is likely OK. I personally dosed typically to 1-2 ug/L once or twice a week. Iron dose is really not very important. It's way higher than typical surface NSW levels in either case.

One Fergon tablet contains 27 mg of iron. Dissolve that in about 27 mL RO/DI (my recommendation, but other concentrations are OK, just don't dilute too much), the concentration is about 27 mg/27 ml ~ 1 mg/mL.

If you want to dose to 0.1 ug/l (0.0001 mg/L), then you need to dose 1 mL per 10,000 liters of aquarium water.

I dose 10-20 times as much (~1 mL to my tank with a volume of about 300 gallons ).

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Too much dilution of the Fergon in a large amount of RO water may cause it to become oxidized and insoluble faster.

 

[Anxur]

Too much dilution of the Fergon in a large amount of RO water may cause it to become oxidized and insoluble faster.

Randy I bought an iron supplement from DSR reefing... It says 0.15ml increases 0.03ppm in 100 litres... What is the iron value expressed in ppm in a reef aquarium? I find this supplement to be very, very concentrated...

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Randy I bought an iron supplement from DSR reefing... It says 0.15ml increases 0.03ppm in 100 litres... What is the iron value expressed in ppm in a reef aquarium? I find this supplement to be very, very concentrated...

DSR does add a lot of iron, including to reduce phosphate.

Red Sea also recommends very high iron, which I suspect is just so their kit can detect it.

There’s no magic number for iron, and a huge range seems fine.


I have DIY recipes using Fergon iron tablets, and iron-based chemicals depending on what you can buy there.

One Fergon tablet (ferrous gluconate) contains 27 mg of iron. Dissolve that in about 27 mL RO/DI (my recommendation, but other concentrations are OK, just don't dilute too much), the concentration is about 27 mg/27 ml ~ 1 mg/mL.

I dosed ~1 mL to my tank with a volume of about 300 gallons ) once or twice a week.

Chemistry And The Aquarium: Iron In A Reef Tank

Randy discusses iron and its usage in our aquariums.

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The concentration of iron varies substantially with location and depth, and is depleted at the surface due to scavenging by organisms. Typical surface concentrations are on the order of 0.1 nM (0.000006 ppm).

 

[Anxur]

DSR does add a lot of iron, including to reduce phosphate.

Red Sea also recommends very high iron, which I suspect is just so their kit can detect it.

There’s no magic number for iron, and a huge range seems fine.


I have DIY recipes using Fergon iron tablets, and iron-based chemicals depending on what you can buy there.

One Fergon tablet (ferrous gluconate) contains 27 mg of iron. Dissolve that in about 27 mL RO/DI (my recommendation, but other concentrations are OK, just don't dilute too much), the concentration is about 27 mg/27 ml ~ 1 mg/mL.

I dosed ~1 mL to my tank with a volume of about 300 gallons ) once or twice a week.

Chemistry And The Aquarium: Iron In A Reef Tank

Randy discusses iron and its usage in our aquariums.

reefs.com

The concentration of iron varies substantially with location and depth, and is depleted at the surface due to scavenging by organisms. Typical surface concentrations are on the order of 0.1 nM (0.000006 ppm).

So 0.03 ppm it's a monster dose... No?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

So 0.03 ppm it's a monster dose... No?

It’s an unnecessarily high dose, but not likely to cause a problem, IMO, unless it causes phosphate to bottom out.

 

[Anxur]

It’s an unnecessarily high dose, but not likely to cause a problem, IMO, unless it causes phosphate to bottom out.

You never stop learning... I didn't know that dosed iron helped the absorption of phosphate.. Excellent..