Dosing trace? DIY possible?

[nanomania]

Ok so is this correct?

Ferrous Sulphate 4g x1l
Manganese Sulphate 185mg x1l
Zinc Sulphate 88mg x1l
Nickle Sulphate 89mg x1l
Chromium Chloride 324mg x1l
Cobalt Chloride 4mg x1l

10ml of each of the above
In 2liters of 143gcalcium chloride solution

So the total stock solution is 2060ml ok?
Dose as per calcium requirement?

As for adding strontium chloride 4.5gms would be ok? As in the other thread you suggested 8.3gms in one gallon of the calcium solution, which is 500gms of cacl.

If yes, would any of these react with each other especially strontium?

This is just for calcium part though.

 

[nanomania]

You can make a whole range of possible stock concentrations. You then just dose more or less.

I would get the materials first so we only need to do the calculations one.

Getting the chems is not an issue for me, as chemical and pharma is my family business..

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Ok so is this correct?

Ferrous Sulphate 4g x1l
Manganese Sulphate 185mg x1l
Zinc Sulphate 88mg x1l
Nickle Sulphate 89mg x1l
Chromium Chloride 324mg x1l
Cobalt Chloride 4mg x1l

10ml of each of the above
In 2liters of 143gcalcium chloride solution

So the total stock solution is 2060ml ok?
Dose as per calcium requirement?

As for adding strontium chloride 4.5gms would be ok? As in the other thread you suggested 8.3gms in one gallon of the calcium solution, which is 500gms of cacl.

If yes, would any of these react with each other especially strontium?

This is just for calcium part though.

I'm not sure what you mean by "right" I have no knowledge of how those were calculated or what one is supposed to do with those solutions from the posted picture. But I do not think they are intended to put into a two part and some look very, very high to me.

 

[nanomania]

I'm not sure what you mean by "right" I have no knowledge of how those were calculated or what one is supposed to do with those solutions from the posted picture. But I do not think they are intended to put into a two part and some look very, very high to me.

Oh, so how would u suggest dosing them?

 

[nanomania]

Here is the SEACHEM Reef Plus Dosing and Analysis

Use 1 capful (5 mL) for each 80 L (20 US gallons) twice a week or as required to maintain coral growth. May also be used in food by mixing 1 mL in about 15 mL (1 tablespoon) of food. Refrigerate after opening.

Guaranteed Analysis

Vitamins & Lipotropic Factors

Ascorbic Acid (Vit C)5.0 mg
Thiamin (B1)0.02 mg
Riboflavin (B2)0.02 mg
Niacin (B3)0.25 mg
Pantothenate (B5)0.07 mg
Vitamin B120.9 µg
Choline (B4)0.004 mg
Inositol0.011 mg
Arginine0.16 mg
Glutamate0.9 mgLysine0.3 mg
Tyrosine0.19 mg

Boron0.096 mg
Iodine0.18 mg
Iron0.009 mg
Copper0.001 mg
Zinc0.005 mg
Manganese0.062 mg
Bromide0.3 mg
Cobalt0.004 mg
Molybdenum0.16 mg
Vanadium0.0003 mg
Nickel0.00035 mg
Tin0.001 mg
Rubidium0.001 mg

Ingredients: ascorbic acid, glutamate, niacin, arginine, lysine, tyrosine, pantothenate, riboflavin, thiamin, choline, inositol, Vitamin B12, potassium bromide, potassium iodide, boric acid, manganese sulfate, sodium molybdate, ferric chloride, copper sulfate, zinc sulfate, cobalt sulfate, rubidium chloride, vanadium sulfate, nickel chloride, stannous chloride

Wouldnt this be ok to dose? Currently dosing every 10days 10ml-15ml for my 500ltr.

However i feel that dosing qty should be depended on the number of fishes and corals, and not the tank size.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I expect it is fine to add. But I personally would not include all the compounds in the Seachem product. Not tin or rubidium in any tank, for example.

My tank also had normal levels of these things without adding any. The might be "safe" to add, but may not be useful in my case.
zinc
boron
bromide

The need for these ions will vary a lot tank to tank, hence the reason people using ICP testing when they really want to know what their tank needs in terms of inorganic trace elements.

 

[nanomania]

I expect it is fine to add. But I personally would not include all the compounds in the Seachem product. Not tin or rubidium in any tank, for example.

My tank also had normal levels of these things without adding any. The might be "safe" to add, but may not be useful in my case.
zinc
boron
bromide

The need for these ions will vary a lot tank to tank, hence the reason people using ICP testing when they really want to know what their tank needs in terms of inorganic trace elements.

How often do u get the test done?

I wonder why they add copper too.

 

[nanomania]

So u dont add anything other then
zinc
boron
bromide

Is ur too a non wc system without calcium reactor??

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

So u dont add anything other then
zinc
boron
bromide

Is ur too a non wc system without calcium reactor??

What I'm saying is that I would not chose to add those because without adding them, my tank already had enough.

Everything I did (foods, macroalgae, skimming, GAC, GFO, etc.) all together added to to them being perfect, or in the case of bromide, elevated from the salt mix.

 

[nanomania]

Yes i use a recipe a little bit modified from that, these recipes are going nuts in Australia at this moment and tanks are having huge success with color, health and growth

Can u plz tell me your own exact recipe? Are u mixing them with calcium as per the pic u shared, and dose as per the calcium levels?

 

[slicko]

I dont know the exact recipe, i am using “reef anabolics” 4 bottle kit. Yes i mix with my alk and calcium.

 

[nanomania]

I dont know the exact recipe, i am using “reef anabolics” 4 bottle kit. Yes i mix with my alk and calcium.

Oh

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

How often do u get the test done?

I wonder why they add copper too.

FWIW, copper does have a biological role and is needed by most aerobic organisms.

 

[250mixreef]

Wouldn't it be much easier to do a series of 25% weekly WC over a 4 week period to correct a trace element imbalance

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Wouldn't it be much easier to do a series of 25% weekly WC over a 4 week period to correct a trace element imbalance

That may correct the imbalance of the moment, but for some, it may become depleted again quickly.

 

[250mixreef]

Other than a triton test how can the average enthusiast estimate consumption of trace elements and dose accordingly?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Other than a triton test how can the average enthusiast estimate consumption of trace elements and dose accordingly?

That's the problem.

Trial and error by observation?

Hope that the levels are not really critical?

 

[250mixreef]

Imo triton has opened a can of worms.
My tank ran for 5 yrs with good success.
As soon as I received triton test results and all my trace elements were low I semi panicked. But soon after realized that these levels probably do not play a significant role in success. I'm not saying they should be ignored. I'm only saying don't be hasty. It's probably better to correct them then not.

 

[nanomania]

That's the problem.

Trial and error by observation?

Hope that the levels are not really critical?

Thats exactly im looking for, since triton is very new, still many have kept corals successfully and woth great colours, without icp. Is there way to make a basic diy trace recipe that would be dosed as per the cal or alk or mag. Wouldnt a bit less be ok then being more.?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Thats exactly im looking for, since triton is very new, still many have kept corals successfully and woth great colours, without icp. Is there way to make a basic diy trace recipe that would be dosed as per the cal or alk or mag. Wouldnt a bit less be ok then being more.?

IMO, dosing based on calcium or alk demand is often not appropriate since the main users of many trace elements may be organisms that use little to no calcium or alkalinity (soft corals, macroalgae, microalgae, ATS, etc.).