Emperor swim bladder issues?

[Aquatica Services Pattaya]

One thing I notice about your tank is that there are a lot of fish and the water always looks cloudy. I’m not sure if that is a direct cause of this issue, but it is something visually different than from what I’d like to see in quarantine tank.

Are you managing ammonia only through water changes?

Remember that copper only manages external protozoan diseases. There are some internal diseases that are tough to diagnose and impossible to treat.

I once had a west African angel doing great in quarantine. It was a rare fish, so I did a photo shoot with it. I used a flash, but I was careful not to shock the fish too much. An hour after the photos, I found the fish twitching and unable to swim. The next day it was dead. Upon necropsy, I discovered it had an internal nematode infection.

@jay
working more the internal route on the fish
had an Achilles now pass away with a bit same symptoms.
Fish actualy died 2 minutes before I decided to check some internal things...never opened up a death aquarium fish like this.
Decided mainly to try and empty stomach/intestine area and have a look what came out? Dont know how things supposed to look but does bot look very natural....wonder if you can elaborate.....

also made a little video..... see below
also tried to take some pictures of gils...again is this normal this damage on the gils? not tiuched just opened the area....

can you please reply your thoughts

 

[Aquatica Services Pattaya]

all 3 fish came from same supplier

 

[Jay Hemdal]

@jay
working more the internal route on the fish
had an Achilles now pass away with a bit same symptoms.
Fish actualy died 2 minutes before I decided to check some internal things...never opened up a death aquarium fish like this.
Decided mainly to try and empty stomach/intestine area and have a look what came out? Dont know how things supposed to look but does bot look very natural....wonder if you can elaborate.....

also made a little video..... see below
also tried to take some pictures of gils...again is this normal this damage on the gils? not tiuched just opened the area....

can you please reply your thoughts

The material from the intestines is either undigested turf algae, or filter floss that has been stained green with bile. If it was the floss, it could have caused an obstruction, that in turn can cause bile staining.

The gills show severe gill disease, probably bacterial.

 

[Aquatica Services Pattaya]

The material from the intestines is either undigested turf algae, or filter floss that has been stained green with bile. If it was the floss, it could have caused an obstruction, that in turn can cause bile staining.

The gills show severe gill disease, probably bacterial.

knowing this what could have been done for this fish?
how can a fish take in filterfloss?
it sure did not look natural that thread like material intertwined...

 

[Jay Hemdal]

knowing this what could have been done for this fish?
how can a fish take in filterfloss?
it sure did not look natural that thread like material intertwined...

It could have eaten filter floss at some point in the supply chain. One other thing I’ve seen is dealers shipping fish with poly filters in the bag, those have threads like filter floss and could be a source.

 

[Aquatica Services Pattaya]

It could have eaten filter floss at some point in the supply chain. One other thing I’ve seen is dealers shipping fish with poly filters in the bag, those have threads like filter floss and could be a source.

mmm
as shipment most likely come from Hawaiian supplier flown to Thailand are they known to do this?
not understand too what the reason would be?

 

[winxp_man]

Had fish die like this. Gill disease. My QT method now is 20long with Fuval AC50 HOB and I only use the blue bio sponge that comes as part of the filter set. 6 caps of Dr Tim’s, Copper Power all I use. I run two filters on a 20 long. One on each side of the tank. The 20 long does well with 15gals of water in it. And do a daily WC for the first 2 weeks of 5 gals. Vacuum all food and check filters for debris and clean in salt water if need be. I also have a small Amazon 12watt UV in tank filter that creates surface agitation. Had three power blues, two maroons, two yellow tangs and a tiny coral beauty. They were all good for 40 days of copper. But after two weeks I not extend the WC to a max of 3 days apart. The coral beauty, the two yellows, and the three PBT’s are now in my DT all healthy, and waiting on my new 300 to arrives to get them in the new tank.

The bigger of the fish where 3.5”. And smaller. But WC is the secrete. And feed just enough but not over what they will eat at one time.

Have to ask why seachem copper and not Copper Power?

 

[Aquatica Services Pattaya]

Had fish die like this. Gill disease. My QT method now is 20long with Fuval AC50 HOB and I only use the blue bio sponge that comes as part of the filter set. 6 caps of Dr Tim’s, Copper Power all I use. I run two filters on a 20 long. One on each side of the tank. The 20 long does well with 15gals of water in it. And do a daily WC for the first 2 weeks of 5 gals. Vacuum all food and check filters for debris and clean in salt water if need be. I also have a small Amazon 12watt UV in tank filter that creates surface agitation. Had three power blues, two maroons, two yellow tangs and a tiny coral beauty. They were all good for 40 days of copper. But after two weeks I not extend the WC to a max of 3 days apart. The coral beauty, the two yellows, and the three PBT’s are now in my DT all healthy, and waiting on my new 300 to arrives to get them in the new tank.

The bigger of the fish where 3.5”. And smaller. But WC is the secrete. And feed just enough but not over what they will eat at one time.

Have to ask why seachem copper and not Copper Power?

In Thailand sadely enough we cant chose what we fight our wars with...
many of the good stuff is even banned from being imported and Amazon or Ebay will not ship them.

 

[winxp_man]

In Thailand sadely enough we cant chose what we fight our wars with...
many of the good stuff is even banned from being imported and Amazon or Ebay will not ship them.

WOW! Talk about sucky situation! Fully understood!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

mmm
as shipment most likely come from Hawaiian supplier flown to Thailand are they known to do this?
not understand too what the reason would be?

The poly filter is added by some shippers in little cut up squares to each shipping bag in the mostly vain attempt to absorb ammonia and toxins during shipment.

Are you sure they came from Hawaii? That state isn't shipping reef fish at the moment.

 

[Aquatica Services Pattaya]

The poly filter is added by some shippers in little cut up squares to each shipping bag in the mostly vain attempt to absorb ammonia and toxins during shipment.

Are you sure they came from Hawaii? That state isn't shipping reef fish at the moment.

checked with my supplier..
coming from Tahiti I think