Finding Dory Petition to educate the audience

[jcdeng]

I will sign it.

Even a simple short video at the beginning telling them what species dory is and minimum tank size for such a species would help.

 

[Congaken]

Dalmatians, golden retrievers, and many other common family pets owe much of their success (even if temporary) on Disney movies. Dalmatians are good dogs but not a good pet for most people - they need special leadership and consideration due to health issues, blindness, deafness, and overall temperament. They can be great dogs but many are not as depicted.

I don't know what my point is.

Well, I know...when animals are popularized, every kid wants one and parents are too lame these days to say no or research and know what they are getting in to...after "Dalmatians", they sold and sold, many were returned, many bit children...I think that the poster is way to light on all the hours and hours needed to maintain a saltwater tank, how precise things need to be and how a kid who falls in love with Dory is generally not capable of keeping this fish alive...I think that that's your point...:rolleyes:

 

[Congaken]

Well, I know...when animals are popularized, every kid wants one and parents are too lame these days to say no or research and know what they are getting in to...after "Dalmatians", they sold and sold, many were returned, many bit children...I think that the poster is way to light on all the hours and hours needed to maintain a saltwater tank, how precise things need to be and how a kid who falls in love with Dory is generally not capable of keeping this fish alive...I think that that's your point...:rolleyes:

correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[Dom]

I’m not even sure how to go about doing this but I think it would be a good thing if we can somehow get “virtual” signatures together to produce a petition that can be delivered to the makers of the new film “Finding Dory”. I believe that it would be a wonderful thing if at the beginning or end of the movie they would give a 10 second clip on educating the audience on keeping these fish as pets. Once this movie comes out you know all fish stores are going to sell out quickly of the Hippo and Yellow tang along with the Clown. People who don’t understand the hobby will buy a Dory that is only an inch long and put it in a 10 or 20 gallon tank and thing everything is okay without realizing just how big these fish get. The clown is not so much of a problem but most definitely the tangs. Even if they just said something quickly such as “If you plan to have Dory and Bubbles as pets please educate yourself before purchasing and only put these fish in their recommended tank sizes”. I think something as simple as that would go a long way.
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This isn't a bad idea. It is probably a bit late to get something like this rolling as the movie is ready to be released in two weeks. The other problem is that most people look at fish as disposable pets. The "Dory Fish" may as well be in a fish bowl at the local feast as a prize. Members of this forum are part of the minority; we realize that keeping such fish is a commitment. Most people with children will buy one and put it in a tank. By the time the fish dies, the novelty will have worn off on the kids and the equipment will end up on Craigslist at 4 times what it is worth. LOL

 

[Dom]

IMO, it is the LFS that should be educated. The LFS owners should be the ones educating the customer. We have a few good LFS's here in SoCal and I have witnessed them asking for info about the customers tank prior to selling them livestock. The problem is I have also witnessed LFS's sell items knowing darn well the hobbyist has a problem going on in their tank. Some care some don't.

It's no different than the LFS's that complain about Tanked and customers coming in thinking they can set up and stock a tank in 40 mins because they saw it on TV. I tell them that it is their job to break it to them that Superman can't fly!

Most LFS's are about the money grab.

 

[dewboy1127]

Check it out, we are moving jn the right direction. Nice to see.

What exactly is this. ..will it be viewed before or after the movie?

 

[Tanked_Life]

Ok after reading most of these comments, the only efficient way to reach out to the community is through Ellen. She is the voice of Dory and by even having a simple show on it (which doesn't cost her millions like it will in a movie every time its played) will blow up for the benefit of the community. Her words will mean a lot and may actually get more viewers via internet and news broadcasts than the movie may actually receive. Please find a way to forward this thread to her manager and lets get this bad boy rolling

 

[Tanked_Life]

besides it is already the 27th, it is too late to add in credits as many of the theaters already have the physical copy. Ellen is the only key to outreach now

 

[Pola0502ds]

This thread was started Months ago, it was a idea I had and I was really willing to do the leg work. But I was knew to the hobby and didn't have a lot of information to go to someone like ellen with or know how to even start up a petition. I didn't get a lot of support so I basically ran out of gas..

Someone mentioned something about LFS being money grabbers. Some are like this just like my LFS. I've had it with them and I will be buying online from now on. I brought my daughter into the store on a random trip and didn't have time to research anything. She wanted a starfish and the guy sold me a chocolate star. Those are not reef safe and the guy knew I had a reef tank. I called the store and basically said "what the heck" and his response was "it's not our job to tell you what is or is not reef safe, if you don't ask we won't tell you". All they care about is getting the sale. It's sad.

 

[Tanked_Life]

This thread was started Months ago, it was a idea I had and I was really willing to do the leg work. But I was knew to the hobby and didn't have a lot of information to go to someone like ellen with or know how to even start up a petition. I didn't get a lot of support so I basically ran out of gas..

Someone mentioned something about LFS being money grabbers. Some are like this just like my LFS. I've had it with them and I will be buying online from now on. I brought my daughter into the store on a random trip and didn't have time to research anything. She wanted a starfish and the guy sold me a chocolate star. Those are not reef safe and the guy knew I had a reef tank. I called the store and basically said "what the heck" and his response was "it's not our job to tell you what is or is not reef safe, if you don't ask we won't tell you". All they care about is getting the sale. It's sad.

It sucks because it is true. every time I go to my LFS I always see that one customer that is being helped by the owner and I usually end up stepping up and helping the customer out myself because I see that the owner is leading said person astray. I appreciate your dedication and I will send Ellen's manager an email or letter and who knows! this topic could get on the show or at the very least as a status update on her twitter/Facebook.

 

[4FordFamily]

Well, I know...when animals are popularized, every kid wants one and parents are too lame these days to say no or research and know what they are getting in to...after "Dalmatians", they sold and sold, many were returned, many bit children...I think that the poster is way to light on all the hours and hours needed to maintain a saltwater tank, how precise things need to be and how a kid who falls in love with Dory is generally not capable of keeping this fish alive...I think that that's your point...:rolleyes:

That is my point, that this is nothing new and has been a problem for awhile, largely. You're correct about Dalmatians.

 

[RoyalGrammaJohn]

I’m not even sure how to go about doing this but I think it would be a good thing if we can somehow get “virtual” signatures together to produce a petition that can be delivered to the makers of the new film “Finding Dory”. I believe that it would be a wonderful thing if at the beginning or end of the movie they would give a 10 second clip on educating the audience on keeping these fish as pets. Once this movie comes out you know all fish stores are going to sell out quickly of the Hippo and Yellow tang along with the Clown. People who don’t understand the hobby will buy a Dory that is only an inch long and put it in a 10 or 20 gallon tank and thing everything is okay without realizing just how big these fish get. The clown is not so much of a problem but most definitely the tangs. Even if they just said something quickly such as “If you plan to have Dory and Bubbles as pets please educate yourself before purchasing and only put these fish in their recommended tank sizes”. I think something as simple as that would go a long way.


I recently purchased a 72 gallon tank in December that was already existing and had a full setup. It included 2 fish, a hippo tang and yellow tang and being that I was new to the hobby I didn’t realize that the tank itself is incredibly too small for these fish and soon I will be wondering what to do with them.


I have been listening to a lot of the “Reef Threads” lately (www.reefthreads.com) and there has been a lot of talk on this subject. I just figured maybe we can try to do something and educate people because no matter what, most LFS will allow the transaction to take place. Maybe we can get the folks from Reef Threads to get on board with this as well and mention it on the show.


If you are on board with this then why don’t we use this thread to collaborate on how to best tackle this situation and after just start a clean thread and have the actual petition? Or simply state that you want signed up.


I’m not here to start a big debate, be negative, or argue. I think this is a legitimate concern, Hawaii is already having a problem with their reefs where the yellow tang is being over fished which is allowing algae to form on all the coral. The problem is that the yellow tang usually cleans up those coral and takes care of the algae.



This exact post has been posted at another forum as well to get the the word out.

A petition would be nice. Good news on the yellow tang though. Not sure if your aware or not but they are now being captive bred! Which is good. They are already being sold to fish stores. Yea it drives me crazy when people get these fish just cause there kids want them and they put it in a 10 gallon tank. Ugh !!

 

[RoyalGrammaJohn]

If you had a daughter you would.

Well that's a stupid comment. Yea I don't a think a disclaimer for 30seconds is a bad thing. And your example is apples and oranges. It's just about the fish. Sorry we care.

 

[RoyalGrammaJohn]

If you had a daughter you would.

Sorry I meant to post my comment on the guy that gave the examples of guns. Not your comment.

 

[BummersReef]

I think any attempt at education on responsible reefing, fish keeping, etc. at this time (with the movie coming out) is a great idea. Will help in any way needed. Now is the time to educate, when interest in the hobby is most likely going to spike. We need to show that we, as the HUGE reef fans and fish lovers we are, do care about responsible fish-keeping etc.

ALSO ... just fyi ... picked up a copy of CORAL at LFS yesterday and they have a great article on yellow tangs and "ground-breaking" successful captive breeding effort going on in Hawaii. That project is having serious funding problems and they have set up a GOFUNDME account to help. seems no one wants to foot the bill for this sort of thing.

 

[stunreefer]

I personally would be just fine with "boring" captive raised fish and aquaculture corals if it staves of the "Rise of Slime" as Dr Jeremy Jackson so frighteningly puts it..

Agree with everything you said, until this. And don't get me wrong, I fully support aquaculture (produced in captivity), but also know how much protection the reefs are given on their doorstep by collection communities. It took quite a while for me to realize that the best way as hobbyists we can directly influence wild reef conservation is to support sustainably collected wild caught animals. Take a quick look at this.

 

[Untamedrose]

I found this quote...
"I think that fish should be in the ocean. It’s what this whole sequel is about: It’s about rehabilitation and putting them back in the ocean … And we have to protect our oceans. Hopefully that discussion starts with this film, because we really need to protect that environment." ellen degeneres
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Less...r-Fans-Take-Away-From-Finding-Dory-78597.html

 

[p0st]

From that picture, 20min of maintenance a week? I'm spending well over 20 a day, what am I doing wrong :P

 

[North Borders]

I was at a frag swap a month ago and there was a vendor there with a 20 gallon tall tank filled with around 20 juvenile blue tangs with a sign 'Get your Dory here! Only $15!' They also had lots of coral frags and some pretty cool stuff that I probably would have bought. I let them know I wouldn't be, however, due to the tang tank, and walked away.

 

[gcarroll]

Sometimes you got to know when to quit. Keep in mind your efforts to educate (by putting pressure on the studio) could force companies like Disney to support the many attempts to ban our hobby!

Trust me, we don't want a multi billion dollar company backing nuts like Snorkel Bob! But it's obvious that some of you are willing to risk that possibility!