Freaking PBT attitude…

jabberwock · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
Oh no Im so sorry

Thanks. No worries, on my third one. The second one went carpet surfing.

Third time is the charm!

sc50964 · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
She was online purchase. She was fine when I added the baby yellow tang, purple tang, regal angel and foxface after her. The issue with the tusk what the first real aggression I saw from her besides her picking a fight with my purple and losing. She knows the purple is boss tang

I see but my question was on the tusk & also if you have QT’ed him.

Also on the sources that you have read saying harlequin tusks are aggressive. Pls share what those are so ppl can take a mental note to not follow those websites

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

sc50964 said:
I see but my question was on the tusk & also if you have QT’ed him.

Also on the sources that you have read saying harlequin tusks are aggressive. Pls share what those are so ppl can take a mental note to not follow those websites

Oh I see sorry I thought you were taking about the PBT!

Some were pretty old r2r posts that had youtube videos with people showing them and talking about how aggressive theirs was and needing to remove them. Ill see if I can find those pages and post them. And he was pre quarantined supposedly.

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

sc50964 said:
I see but my question was on the tusk & also if you have QT’ed him.

Also on the sources that you have read saying harlequin tusks are aggressive. Pls share what those are so ppl can take a mental note to not follow those websites

Here is one article

ReefSumper’s Fish Review of the Harlequin Tusk Wrasse | ReefSump.com

Owner review of the Harlequin Tusk Wrasse

reefsump.com

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
Here is one article

ReefSumper’s Fish Review of the Harlequin Tusk Wrasse | ReefSump.com

Owner review of the Harlequin Tusk Wrasse

reefsump.com

Video I mentioned

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
Video I mentioned

LFS also said they were extremely aggressive

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

Whats the general concensus on Harlequin tusk fish?

Hey all, im interested in one for the larger system when its in place, however as usual the nets given me completely differing opinions on its compatibility within a reef environment. some places say they are shy and reclusive and "gentle" other places say they are territorial and eat...

www.ultimatereef.net

sc50964 · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
Oh I see sorry I thought you were taking about the PBT!

Some were pretty old r2r posts that had youtube videos with people showing them and talking about how aggressive theirs was and needing to remove them. I’ll see if I can find those pages and post them. And he was pre quarantined supposedly.

Sounds good thanks. Some online stores will say anything to appease to a perception of desire. It kinda of have that tiger fish (fresh water) look with the body style and teeth & some ppl really dig that.

One thing I’ve found to really get their appetite back is to feed them live ghost shrimps. You will see his face brightened up and the aggression that we often don’t get to see in this hobby.

Idk what you do with your online purchases so you maybe doing this already. But as a word of precaution, always at least monitor them in a observation tank which you can dose some copper or not it’s entirely up to you but the pt is for them to get a chance to get used to a new environment, food, and new owner.

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

sc50964 said:
Sounds good thanks. Some online stores will say anything to appease to a perception of desire. It kinda of have that tiger fish (fresh water) look with the body style and teeth & some ppl really dig that.

One thing I’ve found to really get their appetite back is to feed them live ghost shrimps. You will see his face brightened up and the aggression that we often don’t get to see in this hobby.

Idk what you do with your online purchases so you maybe doing this already. But as a word of precaution, always at least monitor them in a observation tank which you can dose some copper or not it’s entirely up to you but the pt is for them to get a chance to get used to a new environment, food, and new owner.

I had him in my observation tank but then read a bunch of stuff about how bad copper was for them and was like oh crap I have copper in my QT and moved him, is that also not true? Seems like a lot of really conflicting info on this fish!

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

vetteguy53081 said:
For her and perhaps other " Attitude fish" who can cohabitate with each other

How big would the tank need to be for her? Can I use the sump for her and add a fish and then pull her out of the sump after the fish settles in the new home?

sc50964 · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
I had him in my observation tank but then read a bunch of stuff about how bad copper was for them and was like oh crap I have copper in my QT and moved him, is that also not true? Seems like a lot of really conflicting info on this fish!

It’s true that wrasses in general “can” be more sensitive to some meds so your attention to detail is right on. Reef safe wrasses are more sensitive to prazi and some do show sensitivity to copper but I believe those were with the harsh Cupramine and testing kits not accurate enough. IME of fish keeping and QTing over the past 17 years, fairy, flasher, and tusk wrasses have a good chance taking coppersafe or power based on the recommended dosage and duration. With that said, care must be given on the tank itself as they tend to jump and will hurt themselves if you have any top bracing or have a hardtop.

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

sc50964 said:
It’s true that wrasses in general “can” be more sensitive to some meds so your attention to detail is right on. Reef safe wrasses are more sensitive to prazi and some do show sensitivity to copper but I believe those were with the harsh Cupramine and testing kits not accurate enough. IME of fish keeping and QTing over the past 17 years, fairy, flasher, and tusk wrasses have a good chance taking coppersafe or power based on the recommended dosage and duration. With that said, care must be given on the tank itself as they tend to jump and will hurt themselves if you have any top bracing or have a hardtop.

The QT tank had cupramine in it already thats why I moved him. Its a biocube so covered, but the dang thing keeps having different issues pop up (mechanically). I have a 10 gallon with coppersafe but it also has mechanical issues with the pump and flow valve and other stuff! Dont buy cheap tanks is what I learned.

vetteguy53081 · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
How big would the tank need to be for her? Can I use the sump for her and add a fish and then pull her out of the sump after the fish settles in the new home?

Wrasse are prone to ich and flukes and can tolerate przi fine. Problem is QT them in a tank that often requires sand . For the PBT - I would not recommend sump especially if it 3" or more. They can njure themselves in a limited space housing such as sump as thy are very active. 3" PBT - No less than 40b and 5" PBT - at least 65g

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

vetteguy53081 said:
Wrasse are prone to ich and flukes and can tolerate przi fine. Problem is QT them in a tank that often requires sand . For the PBT - I would not recommend sump especially if it 3" or more. They can njure themselves in a limited space housing such as sump as thy are very active. 3" PBT - No less than 40b and 5" PBT - at least 65g

Gotcha, thats what I was worried about. Do tank dividers work then to help them get used to each other?

vetteguy53081 · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
Gotcha, thats what I was worried about. Do tank dividers work then to help them get used to each other?

While they can, either they are not stable when inserted and if its egg crate, often fish are injured when they come into contact with the material. Years ago, they sold ones with a hanger to attach to top of tank which were best but I havent seen them for a while. Often they are at up to 29g size

This would be safe:

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

vetteguy53081 said:
While they can, either they are not stable when inserted and if its egg crate, often fish are injured when they come into contact with the material. Years ago, they sold ones with a hanger to attach to top of tank which were best but I havent seen them for a while. Often they are at up to 29g size

This would be safe:

Cool I think I will look into that to keep my current fish on one side of the six footer when introducing new fish. I really want to keep Flo, the tusk seems like a bad option for this tank based on what I saw. What would you recommend for the tusk? He is in my 70 now where no one is bullying him. I know he cant stay in there long term with his size. Do you think I should take him to my LFS? My plan for the 125 is a more aggressive set up and he wont fit in well

vetteguy53081 · Sep 3, 2023

littlefoxx said:
Cool I think I will look into that to keep my current fish on one side of the six footer when introducing new fish. I really want to keep Flo, the tusk seems like a bad option for this tank based on what I saw. What would you recommend for the tusk? He is in my 70 now where no one is bullying him. I know he cant stay in there long term with his size. Do you think I should take him to my LFS? My plan for the 125 is a more aggressive set up and he wont fit in well

Tusk needs a large space with hiding areas and chunky foods (mine gets cut up shrimp, scallops, clam and LRS Chunky diet) when I downsized temporarily, there was none in my 135g until I got the 400g, then I put one in.

littlefoxx · Sep 3, 2023

vetteguy53081 said:
Tusk needs a large space with hiding areas and chunky foods (mine gets cut up shrimp, scallops, clam and LRS Chunky diet) when I downsized temporarily, there was none in my 135g until I got the 400g, then I put one in.

Okay I think Im going to give him to my LFS and re home him since I think its probably a tusk or Flo. And I really like flow, the tusk is beautiful but if he is better off with someone else than thats how it is!