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I’m just lost for words at this point. Gha has won the war and I’m breaking down my reefer 450 only after 10 months I’m beyond devastated. Let me tell you how I failed. Tank went wet last March and I slowly added fish the next month or 2 as they passed qt they were introduced. Everything was good for a couple more months until I started adding sps and some acropora, I now know way too soon for sps, and noticed they didn’t like my clean water. Mind you I had the bottom sump turned into a chaeto department with some miracle mud running reverse cycle. Chaeto never really grew only some brown hair algae and every 3 weeks or so I would take my turbo snails from my dt and put them in the sump to clean the algae and then after a few days back in my dt.

That was going on for a couple months until I decided I needed to up my nutrients to help my sps. Started dosing me coral nitrate got my n03 up to 5 ppm and stable and didn’t need to dose n03 to keep it up anymore. Had to dose a good amount of p04 to keep it detectable in my Hanna ulr Meter. Mind you I had zero algae growing in my dt. So I realized it was counter productive to grow chaeto and dose nutrients. So I removed the chaeto, miracle mud, algae baffle in my sump and was just running skimmer (I never run carbon or only once and while temporarily). Got sick
Of daily dosing p04 so I made my own solution with TSP and added that to ato water and that was perfect for me. Solid stable p04 of .02-.04 and n03 was always 3-5ppm and my acropora we’re looking unbelievable. So that was going on for a few months and then late November I started seeing small patches of brown and green hair algae randomly and would pick it out here and there not really thinking about it. My hippo and yellow tang doesn’t touch the stuff neither does my lawn mower blenny. Then beginning of December it started to get bad so I stopped p04 dosing and just let the tank do it’s thing with daily feeding of the fish and some acropower etc to get my levels down to try and starve out the algae. No noticbale change in algae from stopping dosing and my acros we’re starting to lose color. I bought more cuc they made no Change. I tried nopox for a couple weeks drove my n03 to 0 and got a nasty outbreak of cyano from it. Stopped the nopox and have stable n03 of about 1-2ppm now with no nopox and only a touch of cyano here and there now. I then used gfo for a week and stripped the p04 and acros immediately got white tips and some base recession so I said screw it im gonna go back to p04 dosing and stop the gfo cause the algae is growing no matter what the levels are and my acros only look good and won’t rtn if I dose p04 daily. But now I’m in a daily battle of hand scrubbing the rocks in the tank and honestly not making much of a difference.

I have bought probably $400 worth of additional cuc over the past 2 months and they didn’t do anything even Sea hares! I tried fluconozole but it only killed my bryopsis. installed a cw-100 ats 2 weeks ago and I have some nice hair algae growing on that already but it’s not stopping the algae in my dt. I’ve literally lost sleep over this and I’m at the point where I’m gonna break down the tank, remove the sand, soak all the rock in h202 and rebuilt and re start and pray that it doesn’t happen again. How would you guys prevent gha from taking over the tank while maintaining p04 and n03? My nuvo 10 and jbj 20 are going along great with the same nutrient levels and 0 algae.

Going forward I will use ats from the start to give the algae a place to grow outside my dt. Don’t add sps for atleast a year. And pray it doesn’t come back. How sad...
 
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I took a video it won’t let me upload it...here’s half of my tank

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Here’s the YouTube link of the tank today

 
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I am going through the same thing on a 20 year old tank. Start by siphoning the hair algae off into a filter sock every other day or so. You need to let the ats kick in for at least 4 more weeks to start to reap the benefits. No radical changes. Stop dosing anything other than alk, ca, mag. Continue feeding the fish. Continue with weekly or biweekly water changes. Stir your sand or siphon. You can also scrub the rocks out of the tank, and remove as much as possible..
 

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Sorry to hear about your issues. Breaking down that tank, in the picture above, is not the way I would go. I know it is frustrating. I would suggest an alternative.
  • Restart your chaeto reactor and get the phosphates under control. This will slowly eliminate the HA
  • Instead of dosing Phosphates and Nitrates, in the future just feed more. Happy fish and corals with abundent food..... higher than zero nutrients....without having to dose.
  • Think about a rabbit fish or a fox face. I have seen them go to town on GHA that other fish dont touch. Hippos and Yellows seem to be fairly picky. I have seen lawnmower blennys that dont touch.
  • You mentioned you have fought Bryopsis. You could use fluconozole again and keep it in the tank longer. I have seen it impact GHA but only if in the tank longer than directed. I think there are threads here on R2R about that.
  • Manual removal.... I know... It aint easy. I did the things above on a 72 bowfront that had GHA like crazy. It eventually faded away. The Fox Face I got really helped. But I also spent a lot of time pulling stuff....

I know you are frustrated. The route you have planned may work fine....but a lot of work.
 

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I have had worse. I did two things.

1. Halloween Urchin. what an awesome critter.
2. Marine Algaefix.

I did this on my 180 and followed the directions exactly. it worked really really good. BUT, if you do this, you gotta fix the nutrient issue that is feeding the algae. sorry for old crappy images but the first 4 are from January 23, 2011.
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To add, by late march, there was no GHA left. I am a firm believer in the Marine Algaefix.

Now to keep it from coming. Stop dosing nutrients. add fish and food if you need Nitrate and phosphate. Simplify your system. Make sure your RO membranes are good.

Here is my current system. aside from Alk, CA and MG, the only thing I dose is food. if I notice my phosphates creeping above 1.5ppm on my hannah, I will dose a tiny bit of lanthanum chloride in the overflow (every 2 or 3 months). the rest is done thru a big ball of Cheato in the sump and a cheap LED par38 grow bulb.
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To add, by late march, there was no GHA left. I am a firm believer in the Marine Algaefix.
I was gonna use that as a last resort but I could only find one guy who documented using it and it worked and it was very similar to my tank as far as gha. But I also hear algae fix will kill shrimp and snails and of this true?
 
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To add, by late march, there was no GHA left. I am a firm believer in the Marine Algaefix.

Now to keep it from coming. Stop dosing nutrients. add fish and food if you need Nitrate and phosphate. Simplify your system. Make sure your RO membranes are good.

Here is my current system. aside from Alk, CA and MG, the only thing I dose is food. if I notice my phosphates creeping above 1.5ppm on my hannah, I will dose a tiny bit of lanthanum chloride in the overflow (every 2 or 3 months). the rest is done thru a big ball of Cheato in the sump and a cheap LED par38 grow bulb.
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Wow that’s impressive. Yes I stay on top
Of rodi like you wouldn’t believe. Always 0 tds always.
 

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No issues that I remember with anything in my tank. At that point it was 6 months old or so. Poor water in on my part. I would try the algaefix before a teardown.

Good luck and I hope it works for ya.
 

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Dosing phosphates helps but the rock work asorbs it before you get readings. Than over time the rock releases it. This in turn fuels the gha. If you wait it out and remove it manually it's beatable. Just takes work.
 

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I believe you can use any mag brand, I was told by LFS in Colorado (guy that has largest Hammer Coral in captivity) to use Kent Tech M and it worked like a charm.
 

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I feel your pain, tank was fine until I added a rock that maybe had issues and it spread like crazy. Now it's all in my sand too.

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I feel your pain, tank was fine until I added a rock that maybe had issues and it spread like crazy. Now it's all in my sand too.

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That’s what my sand was turning into and every week I’m sucking the top layer off until eventually I remove all the sand, I should have went bare bottom from the beginning...
 
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No issues that I remember with anything in my tank. At that point it was 6 months old or so. Poor water in on my part. I would try the algaefix before a teardown.

Good luck and I hope it works for ya.
Should I continue using my algae scrubber with the algaefix treatment?
 

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No. It will probably kill it. I would take it offline a d sterile it. Start it over again. I have not had luck with them.
 
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I am going through the same thing on a 20 year old tank. Start by siphoning the hair algae off into a filter sock every other day or so. You need to let the ats kick in for at least 4 more weeks to start to reap the benefits. No radical changes. Stop dosing anything other than alk, ca, mag. Continue feeding the fish. Continue with weekly or biweekly water changes. Stir your sand or siphon. You can also scrub the rocks out of the tank, and remove as much as possible..
What are your thoughts on an Algaecide like algaefix marine?
 

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