Help id what's wrong with my Spiney Box Puffer plz!

[jasonrusso]

Any suggestions on getting a puffer and panther Grouper to eat again after cupramine treatment. Haven't ate anything in a week after 14 day treatment. The puffer will spit it back out. I've tried 3 different frozen foods.

Live food?

 

[Chiefmaster30]

Ok thanks

 

[Reefrookie220]

Also try some garlic or selcoboost

 

[Slayvoff]

just read this thread and trying to understand. Bottom of page 1, OP posted pictures of puffer with a bunch of white flecks and everyone diagnosed it as Velvet. But I thought small white flecks on a fish is sign of Ich? Are they both small white flecks? If so, how would you know which?

 

[Chiefmaster30]

Ick specs are more like salt grains where velvet is more like specs of sand.

 

[Maritimer]

just read this thread and trying to understand. Bottom of page 1, OP posted pictures of puffer with a bunch of white flecks and everyone diagnosed it as Velvet. But I thought small white flecks on a fish is sign of Ich? Are they both small white flecks? If so, how would you know which?

Both are small white flecks, so it can be confusing.

Ich spots are generally salt-grain size, as Chiefmaster30 noted, and relatively fewer in number - you can probably count them. They also sometimes take on an oval shape.

Velvet can look more like a dusting of powdered sugar - very fine, and too numerous to count. Additionally, velvet will often trigger behavioral symptoms; hiding from the light, or swimming into the flow of a powerhead for gill relief. Velvet is by far the faster killer of the two, so requires immediate attention.

~Bruce

 

[Chiefmaster30]

Still haven't gotten any live foods to try til Sunday but.. is this normal for fish to not want to eat frozen after cupramine treatment. They were eating frozen fine with no problems for close to 3 months beforehand.

 

[jasonrusso]

Still haven't gotten any live foods to try til Sunday but.. is this normal for fish to not want to eat frozen after cupramine treatment. They were eating frozen fine with no problems for close to 3 months beforehand.

Hopefully he starts eating again. I've always said that puffers don't tollerare copper. Maybe it's a reaction to that.

 

[Chiefmaster30]

All of my other fish are eating except for the spiney box puffer and panther Grouper. The others are a Tomato Clownfish, Clown Trigger, and 3 Striped damsel.

 

[Chiefmaster30]

Yes I hope so! They have neither one ate in over a week. The puffer was spitting it out but now don't even act interested. I even used feeding stick and smacked him between the eyes with it gently to try to get a reaction. Swimming and acting fine besides that. Could they have something else bacterial or something causing this?

 

[4FordFamily]

A panther grouper not eating?

Wow that's not good. If you MUST, live fish work wonders... then I move to freeze dried krill.. then krill.. then other foods.

 

[jimmybuckett]

Yes thats ich defo

 

[Chiefmaster30]

Exactly what kind of live fish?

 

[Chiefmaster30]

@4FordFamy

 

[Chiefmaster30]

Well spiney box puffer still has not ate. Only thing live my lfs had was Rosy reds and feeder guppies and he hasn't shown no interest at all in them. Any more ideas to get this fish to eat. I can't find clams nowhere. Have called every grocery store in Manchester, Tn.

 

[Chiefmaster30]

He was eating great before Cupramine treatment.

 

[Chiefmaster30]

I'm assuming he's probably gonna be done any day now.

 

[MnFish1]

No, you'll probably need an actual antibiotic. Kanaplex, furan2, erythromycin are all good ones.

Question. Since erythromycin works mostly on gram positives (even in an alkaline environment). Why would it be considered as good as kanamycin which is more a broad spectrum antibiotic with significant gram negative coverage? Thought most cases of fin. rot were due to gram negqtives

 

[MnFish1]

Ick specs are more like salt grains where velvet is more like specs of sand.

IMHO this is not true

 

[Chiefmaster30]

How so?