I can't keep Montipora alive...

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I often used to joke my screen name should be SPSKiller or SPSMurderer, and I know a lot of it had to do with tank maturity and stability. Tank has been up 3 years, but has been “rebooted” twice due to neglect and GHA outbreaks. I have been seriously keeping it up for about 8 months now. I have had fish-onlies for probably 7 years.

About the tank… 165 gallon bow-front. Aiming for a mixed reef. Lit with 3 Kessil A-360s suspended over the tank. I have started all caps sitting on the bottom, and slowly moved them to middle ranges in the tank. I have tried corners and middle-area placements.

Flow is four Korrilla-style powerheads, generating a fairly consistent flow, with all at angles to create various flow patterns.

I seem to be hitting a point in my tank’s evolution that I am starting to have some coral success. I have always had softies and easy LPS success, but SPS evaded me. I finally am beginning to have some SPS success (granted, a Pocillipora is hard to kill, but it is growing well) and I have a pink birdsnest frag that really hasn’t grown much, but for 2 months has retained its color and had polyps open consistently.

I have picked up other frags from a couple of local reefers, and I always admire their large, growing Montipora cap colonies, and commented on my inability to get them to live. The last two have said, “Heck, I have to frag them all the time to keep them under control” and in both cases, broke off a 1” or larger frag to give to me to grow out their “unkillable” monti cap (red-orange, and a green). Add this to a few monti frags I have bought and I have a very consistent track record of killing every single one, usually in short time.

Currently I have thriving Zoas, hammers, frogspawn, blastos, and a Duncan that has gone from one head to 8. Several various mushrooms varieties (yumas, ricordeas) growing and splitting. I have a RBTA thriving for 6 months, and a large feather duster that has survived all reboots and the tank transfer into this tank. . Fish are 3 O. clowns, an orange-headed fairy wrasse, yellow canary blenny, bi-color blenny, firefish and pajama cardinal. I have a large (1 1.2” disk) brittle star and a clean up crew of various snails and crabs. I probably feed a little heavy

Parameters are fairly consistent. I do sometimes find lower pH when I do testing, but have been repeatedly told to monitor Alk, and not stress over pH. I do 15% water changes using Instant Ocean every two weeks, and have my ATO with pickling lime (kalk). Temp consistently 78-79 degrees, maintained with fans and my Apex Jr.

Last parameter check found: Ca 450; Mg 1400 (a little high); alk 7.8 (a little low). I do still battle phos, and am currently out of reagent, but I pull a soft-ball sized piece of cheato out of the sump once a month.

No species of monti has lasted without starting to fade/recede within 2 weeks. All have been bleached or brown within a month…

So, other than probably running dirtier water than most SPS keepers, what am I missing about what montipora need to survive?
 

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Montiporas in particular tend to be sensitive to potassium levels. In fact a lot of people know it's time to dose potassium based on how their montis look. Low levels won't kill the montis quickly, but they will fade and retract polyps. I would look into testing. Salifert has the best test kit for potassium.
 

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thats so weird. I have a hard time killing them, and i honestly dont really like them that much... My Po is totally messed up. and the montis and chalices exploded.
I really dont do anything but water change and kalkwasser. In the new tank rehab the po was sky high(thus the rehab) and I increased the light and 3 out of four of them blew up. I did get better color and growth from warmer light temps. 14k rather than 20k.

Maybe Montis are just not that into you:)
Dont feel bad, mushrooms aren't in to me:D.
 
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Get that Phosphate under control. You will never be able to grow SPS well with phosphate issues. Are you running GFO?

I stopped GFO a while back, as obviously it outcompeted the cheato, and seemed to slow down the growth of the LPS... I have ordered more GFO today, so I will start it up again...

Montiporas in particular tend to be sensitive to potassium levels. In fact a lot of people know it's time to dose potassium based on how their montis look. Low levels won't kill the montis quickly, but they will fade and retract polyps. I would look into testing. Salifert has the best test kit for potassium.

I have never tested or added potassium... with my limited number of corals in a fairly large water supply, I assumed water changes would cover it... Guess I will need to pick up a test kit, thanks!

thats so weird. I have a hard time killing them, and i honestly dont really like them that much... My Po is totally messed up. and the montis and chalices exploded.
I really dont do anything but water change and kalkwasser. In the new tank rehab the po was sky high(thus the rehab) and I increased the light and 3 out of four of them blew up. I did get better color and growth from warmer light temps. 14k rather than 20k.

Maybe Montis are just not that into you:)
Dont feel bad, mushrooms aren't in to me:D.

I can grow some mushrooms, let me tell you! Running the kessils, while I love the shimmer, I am really not sure what I am actually hitting the water with... Guess I better start reading up on that... I had actually dropped my intensity down dramatically, and that has helped a lot with my coral growth. I think I was baking everything. Guess I need to start looking into changing the color ratios...

If Alk stable I would consider lighting. Monti caps are generally forgiving, but something to consider.

Thanks! As I mentioned above, I have played with intensity and time, but really need to look into the different saturations of the Kessils..

I appreciate everyone's comments!
 

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My experience with monti's is they don't like as much light as most sps. Kind of like green stylophora don't like as much light as purple stylophora.
 
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My experience with monti's is they don't like as much light as most sps. Kind of like green stylophora don't like as much light as purple stylophora.

So maybe I need to put them lower in the tank... I always tried to keep them halfway up or a little higher... Once I get some info on the lights ranges, I'll get some monti frags and try them lower...
 

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So maybe I need to put them lower in the tank... I always tried to keep them halfway up or a little higher... Once I get some info on the lights ranges, I'll get some monti frags and try them lower...
it's like @saltyfilmfolks said, they can be difficult to kill but they are particular on lighting, imo. I keep mine in a tank with high po4, but I have montis growing in a dark corner and up high next to sps. Growth for both are different.
 

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So maybe I need to put them lower in the tank... I always tried to keep them halfway up or a little higher... Once I get some info on the lights ranges, I'll get some monti frags and try them lower...
I'm one of those lux light meter guys. $15 bucks on Amazon. It'll tell you where your at. I personally do have mine under pretty high lighting. But they do grow in many different depths. Like SPS I'm sure they are likely not all high light.

I'm a big fan of turning all settings to full. And only changing the white blue ratios.

And there is of course the nutrient to lighting ratios to consider.
 

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