Ick or velvet or something else?

[KashifM]

Need some help. Is this Ick or velvet or something completely different? Lost a butterfly this morning and just got home to a clownfish and one of the damsels gone. The other two clowns look completely fine. All my tangs and foxface look completely fine and are swimming and eating. Noticed my Koran Angelfish having these marks too but was reading it may be it transitioning. All water parameters are in range. Any help is appreciated!

 

[Fish Fan]

Let’s see if one of the #f#fishmediceam can take a look for you.

 

[KashifM]

Let’s see if one of the #f#fishmediceam can take a look for you.

thank you so much!

 

[winxp_man]

Are the fish eating normally? Breathing faster than normal? Are fish flashing or scratching on sand or rocks?
I’m not seeing ich (white spots)

The angle looks to have bacterial issues. Mine got the same thing. Kanaplex fixed him up real quick.

 

[KashifM]

Are the fish eating normally? Breathing faster than normal? Are fish flashing or scratching on sand or rocks?
I’m not seeing ich (white spots)

The angle looks to have bacterial issues. Mine got the same thing. Kanaplex fixed him up real quick.

All of them are swimming fine and ate last night. Breathing seemed to be a bit heavier on the clownfish when I left this morning and he looked kind of like the domino damsels. The damsels used to be a dark black but they seem like their color is fading or washed. All other fish are swimming and acting fine. I dosed with stress guard yesterday night and LFS said it looked like velvet so I started treatment with cuparamine.

 

[KashifM]

Are the fish eating normally? Breathing faster than normal? Are fish flashing or scratching on sand or rocks?
I’m not seeing ich (white spots)

The angle looks to have bacterial issues. Mine got the same thing. Kanaplex fixed him up real quick.

The butterfly also had cloudy eyes for the past 2 days so I was thinking bacterial. He was eating and swimming completely fine last night and this morning face down in the sand. Just noticed the dominos cloudy eyes this afternoon.

 

[W31Olds]

I don't see this as Ich, but Flukes and should be treated with Prazipro. Were any of your Fish QT'd? This looks like a very new Tank. Did you cycle or use Live Rock for your setup? You must monitor Ammonia or do you know the level?
A second issue (Not disease related) is your current stock is going to be trouble. All those Damsels is a big problem and will fight and dominate your Tank. You also have too many fish and Tangs need a larger Tank. Please do not add another Butterfly as it will be dominated and harassed.
@Jay Hemdal

 

[winxp_man]

The videos are a bit to fast and fuzzy to see details on issues. But I got this screen shot looks like possible ich….

 

[W31Olds]

All of them are swimming fine and ate last night. Breathing seemed to be a bit heavier on the clownfish when I left this morning and he looked kind of like the domino damsels. The damsels used to be a dark black but they seem like their color is fading or washed. All other fish are swimming and acting fine. I dosed with stress guard yesterday night and LFS said it looked like velvet so I started treatment with cuparamine.

I would'nt doubt if OP has more than one thing going on and it could also be that Ich is present. The cloudy eyes and washed out colors along with the ragged fins usually is due to Flukes.
For the OP, how are you monitoring the Cupramine Level in your Tank?

 

[KashifM]

I don't see this as Ich, but Flukes and should be treated with Prazipro. Were any of your Fish QT'd? This looks like a very new Tank. Did you cycle or use Live Rock for your setup? You must monitor Ammonia or do you know the level?
A second issue (Not disease related) is your current stock is going to be trouble. All those Damsels is a big problem and will fight and dominate your Tank. You also have too many fish and Tangs need a larger Tank. Please do not add another Butterfly as it will be dominated and harassed.
@Jay Hemdal

I read about flukes and heard about putting the fish in a freshwater dip for 5 minutes and they will come out. I did so but still didnt see anything in the bucket. All fish were bought from the same LFS and put in at the same time (about 2 months ago) minus two clownfish that my neighbor gave me (2 weeks ago) and the orignal clownfish and scopas tang inside the tank. I bought that tank from a buddy so it was cycled beforehand (used the same live rock and sand he had).
Fully agree that tank size is going to be a problem, but I would never see the damsels ever mess with the butterfly since he was almost triple their size. However, already planning on upgrading it to a 220 in the near future

 

[winxp_man]

I would'nt doubt if OP has more than one thing going on and it could also be that Ich is present. The cloudy eyes and washed out colors along with the ragged fins usually is due to Flukes.
For the OP, how are you monitoring the Cupramine Level in your Tank?

I can see flukes and ich killing fish way faster than just one disease alone. One of the LFS’s near me…. I’m telling you, will get you all flavors of diseases at once! Haha! Crazy what has transpired in the aquarium trade disease wise. I’m seeing it more prevalent than ever.

 

[KashifM]

I would'nt doubt if OP has more than one thing going on and it could also be that Ich is present. The cloudy eyes and washed out colors along with the ragged fins usually is due to Flukes.
For the OP, how are you monitoring the Cupramine Level in your Tank?

I dosed according to the bottle. Did in total 12mL. My LFS told me to just dose the tank and then perform a water change after treatment.

 

[W31Olds]

I dosed according to the bottle. Did in total 12mL. My LFS told me to just dose the tank and then perform a water change after treatment.

We don't usually recommend Cupramine because it's harder on your Fish. Copperpower or Coppersafe are preferred using a Hanna Copper Test Kit to measure the Copper Level. You should also be aware that by adding Copper based Meds to your Tank, inverts are off limits as they cannot tolerate Copper and once it is absorbed into your Live Rock it's difficult to remove. You should also have the Seachem Test Kit to Monitor the Level.
As far as my comment on Damsels goes, in the fish world size doesn't matter. They are for the most part very hardy but mean and will challenge and attack very large fish.
You should also be concerned about the advice your LFS is giving you.

 

[KashifM]

We don't usually recommend Cupramine because it's harder on your Fish. Copperpower or Coppersafe are preferred using a Hanna Copper Test Kit to measure the Copper Level. You should also be aware that by adding Copper based Meds to your Tank, inverts are off limits as they cannot tolerate Copper and once it is absorbed into your Live Rock it's difficult to remove. You should also have the Seachem Test Kit to Monitor the Level.
As far as my comment on Damsels goes, in the fish world size doesn't matter. They are for the most part very hardy but mean and will challenge and attack very large fish.
You should also be concerned about the advice your LFS is giving you.

Alright going to order some of that as well as the test kit. I have the water test kit and all parameters are in range. Really limited on my options for LFS since im based in Middle GA and only have one within a hour of me that carries saltwater fish/supplies. LFS did warn about inverts but I dont have any in there. I've had freshwater tanks for years and always wanted to start a saltwater one but they are definitely intimidating till my buddy eventually convinced me to get his. The damsels will definitely get removed after this if they make it. Thank you so much for the help!

 

[winxp_man]

I dosed according to the bottle. Did in total 12mL. My LFS told me to just dose the tank and then perform a water change after treatment.

As stated cupramine is hard in fish because of the binding method. Ionic copper another name. Copper power or copper safe is chelated and easier on fish.

Cupramine is .95 ml per 10 gallons of actual SW.

.095 ml per gal. Of SW.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

The videos are a bit to fast and fuzzy to see details on issues. But I got this screen shot looks like possible ich….

Those could be ich spots, but they are not at a level to be causing this amount of fish loss....

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I read about flukes and heard about putting the fish in a freshwater dip for 5 minutes and they will come out. I did so but still didnt see anything in the bucket. All fish were bought from the same LFS and put in at the same time (about 2 months ago) minus two clownfish that my neighbor gave me (2 weeks ago) and the orignal clownfish and scopas tang inside the tank. I bought that tank from a buddy so it was cycled beforehand (used the same live rock and sand he had).
Fully agree that tank size is going to be a problem, but I would never see the damsels ever mess with the butterfly since he was almost triple their size. However, already planning on upgrading it to a 220 in the near future

You can only see one species of fluke (Neobenedenia) in dip water, the other common species are too small and require a microscope to see.

You may have multiple issues in play here. The koran angel's skin looks like flukes, but there are some possible ich spots on one of the damsels. Then, to lose three fish overnight is odd....

Given the circumstances, I would treat for flukes first:

Dosing Praziquantel (PZQ)

Using Praziquantel (PZQ) to treat flukes Overview In the early 1990’s, a researcher at the New York Aquarium published a paper on using Praziquantel (PZQ) to help control flukes, a parasitic flatworm. Also known as monogenean trematodes, these fish parasites can cause significant mortality in...

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