Indonesia Situation

[danreefman]

Corals made in America. Now that's awesome

 

[danreefman]

Not to mention. You had to give Americans more jobs after the ban.

Sounds like a good thing to me.

 

[PacificEastAquaculture]

Hey Doc,
After reading and thinking this over. I'm just born and raised American! I try to keep my money local. If I can't I at least try to keep it in the USA. I run my company with zero illegals.

Not racist, just American. We fly our flag high in my home.

Regardless of saving the ocean, we have enough here in the states to choose from. Honestly our homegrown corals would do better reseeding the ocean, than stuff grown in the ocean. Stuff in our tanks is used to the swings.

You have some nice pics with your friends. You can always go back to visit. Seems though that now there is no money involved they are just memories.

It's all good to make a buck. I just seems that In a hobby where we are caring for live animals, the lives aren't as important as the money. It's just all business now less hobby it seems.

Not sure I understand your point. I own and operate Pacific East Aquaculture, located in Maryland, in the US, we are a state licensed coral aquaculture facility, been in business 18 years and grow thousands of corals. No one is asking you to spend your money in a foreign country. The point here is you do realize originally all the corals in aquariums now came from the ocean, correct? And over time as hobbyists demand new and different corals new ones will no longer be coming into the US if the current bans stay in effect. I'm not sure I understand your issue with money being involved.

The point of this thread was to give folks info on the ban on exports from Indonesia, not to debate the evils of money or whatever else is your issue. If you wish to debate those issues then please start your own thread and debate all you wish. I'm not here to convince you of anything, just trying to inform folks on a particular issue I had some personal knowledge about.

 

[danreefman]

I know your in America. I think it's great that you employed more people.
I know coral comes from the ocean. I'm just saying we have a bunch here in America. Grown and sold in America. I think it's great.

I don't think money is evil either.

Now we really have to use our talents to cross bread and come up with new ones. Skies the limt.

I think your company is a good one. Nice big and clean facility that I've seen in the pics. I thinks it's awesome the you've evolved with what's going on.

I'm sorry for ranting. I'll leave you alone now.

 

[TessGlo]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oji074dk2d3djw8/Indonesia Coral Farms.m4v?dl=0[/QUOTE]

Great video, thank you for sharing and keeping us so informed. I appreciate and admire your passion and hope more come to understand the many benefits that coral farming brings.

 

[shred5]

Sorry to detour your thread.

To make things simple the way I see them.
I wanted to buy a parrot a while ago. We talked to a store. They said, " after we go through like 6 months of training we could than buy the bird."
It really made me think twice and I didn't go through with it. I didn't have the passion for it.

Reef is different? I was so surprised when I walked into a fish store and I could take the living tank home with no certification.

Your second post after mine, was more along the lines of what I meant.

I see your passion. And deffinatly not pointing my finger at you. Just I see a lot of ridiculousness in this hobby.

My point that you replied too is a permit for existing corals not new ones. You would not be able to buy coral period that are on the list. Not acuacultured, no

Hey Doc,
After reading and thinking this over. I'm just born and raised American! I try to keep my money local. If I can't I at least try to keep it in the USA. I run my company with zero illegals.

Not racist, just American. We fly our flag high in my home.

Regardless of saving the ocean, we have enough here in the states to choose from. Honestly our homegrown corals would do better reseeding the ocean, than stuff grown in the ocean. Stuff in our tanks is used to the swings.

You have some nice pics with your friends. You can always go back to visit. Seems though that now there is no money involved they are just memories.

You can not put corals back in the ocean from our tanks. We keep corals from all over the world and if one pathogen/disease got from one ocean to another you could wipe out all the coral or fish.
Fish, corals, inverts etc build up a resistance to disease in their area. Those get transferred to another area where the animal is not resistant. That is what is believed to be one of the reason the diadema urchin was almost wiped out.
That is why you are not supposed to take your tank water and dump it near the ocean.

 

[Rispa]

Hey Doc,
After reading and thinking this over. I'm just born and raised American! I try to keep my money local. If I can't I at least try to keep it in the USA. I run my company with zero illegals.

Not racist, just American. We fly our flag high in my home.

Regardless of saving the ocean, we have enough here in the states to choose from. Honestly our homegrown corals would do better reseeding the ocean, than stuff grown in the ocean. Stuff in our tanks is used to the swings.

You have some nice pics with your friends. You can always go back to visit. Seems though that now there is no money involved they are just memories.

It's a pity local collection is heavily restricted by the government.

 

[Rispa]

I know your in America. I think it's great that you employed more people.
I know coral comes from the ocean. I'm just saying we have a bunch here in America. Grown and sold in America. I think it's great.

I don't think money is evil either.

Now we really have to use our talents to cross bread and come up with new ones. Skies the limt.

I think your company is a good one. Nice big and clean facility that I've seen in the pics. I thinks it's awesome the you've evolved with what's going on.

I'm sorry for ranting. I'll leave you alone now.

Cross breeding is literally one of the newest things being done. I think it's only been experimented with the past two years based on what little information I could find. It's still a ways off from being common practice and viable. Oh also cord ls only spawn once a year. (sometime in November based on a video I watched), so if someone wanted to start experimenting with it for the hobby they would have a limited window of time to give it a try. If bans keep happening I don't think this method will help with genetic diversity since it's so new.

 

[Billldg]

Now the question that needs to be asked is are we wasting or time or will Indo open back up? Enough with the politics and governments, do we need to move on knowing that we won't get anything out of Indo?

 

[PacificEastAquaculture]

Now the question that needs to be asked is are we wasting or time or will Indo open back up? Enough with the politics and governments, do we need to move on knowing that we won't get anything out of Indo?

Might be. As time goes on it looks worse by the day. As I said before in this thread, no one really knows for sure, could open tomorrow or never. From a business perspective most folks have already moved on, problem is not many options for new stock acquisition.

 

[Billldg]

Might be. As time goes on it looks worse by the day. As I said before in this thread, no one really knows for sure, could open tomorrow or never. From a business perspective most folks have already moved on, problem is not many options for new stock acquisition.

Agreed, myself being new to the hobby I see a bunch of awesome frags from yesterday that I can't get ahold of, and honestly its the awesome frags that catch peoples eye and draws them into the hobby to begin with. I was lucky enough to get a few Indo frags, but still being left wanting as I can't get anymore.

 

[Swip]

Even if the export ban will be lifted soon.. do you think it's possible for the exporters to recover at this point?
As I understand it the ban came without warning and now, 3 months later, we still don't know if and when it will be lifted. We don't even know the true reasons. Isn't the trust gone now because of the way the indo government handeld the situation? Who is going to invest in the coral trade there after all this?

 

[Imo's Reef]

¿Noticias?

 

[Turbo's Aquatics]

IMO this is extremist environmentalism pushing a strict adherence to the COP23 agenda that draws a hard line regardless of the actual science and facts in order to make everyone who doesn't fully understand things feel great about saving the world.

IMHO, That's like real tin foil hat stuff there! I think those in power in Indo could care less.

@PacificEastAquaculture What's your opinion of my thoughts? Am I really that far off base with that opinion/view??

 

[PacificEastAquaculture]

@PacificEastAquaculture What's your opinion of my thoughts? Am I really that far off base with that opinion/view??

Having not been in the meetings with the players involved and with many in the export association being especially closed mouthed about it all I can't really comment about your view. Everyone is just guessing and projecting their opinions, everyone, and if anyone says different their frankly pretenders or liars! Until it's opened back up and I'm getting shipments I don't trust anyone's views or comments.

For example , just prior to last week's Indo meeting, one exporter told me he heard the ban would be lifted the next day for exporters that had no black marks on their record. Never happened! Day after the meeting another exporter told me that Susi, the Fisheries Minister, was not picked as the vice presidential candidate for next April's election, instead a more radical Muslim candidate was choosen. Whether that report is true or not I don't know, nor if true what ramifications this may have on our trade.

There are still folks that argue with me there is no ban in Fiji and I'm misinformed. When's last time you saw Fiji rock and coral shipments?

 

[Turbo's Aquatics]

There's still folks that argue with me there is no ban in Fiji and I'm misinformed.

Wow, seriously? All they have to do is follow Walt Smith's page to see that they have even stopped giving educational tours because they literally have almost nothing to show them, because they can't go out into the ocean and do anything, at all...

 

[shred5]

Wow, seriously? All they have to do is follow Walt Smith's page to see that they have even stopped giving educational tours because they literally have almost nothing to show them, because they can't go out into the ocean and do anything, at all...

Walt is speaking at MACNA, I hope someone records it and posts it, sometimes BRS does.
He has been pretty quiet lately. I can find out what is going on but at this point it is what it is. He will speak when he is ready.


There was a talk at Aquashalla by Sutan Ari Dallas on the situation in Indonesia.
I wanted to go but they never listed the times and days for the speakers.
If they did I would have gone to see his talk.

 

[reefwiser]

Walt, talks on Saturday September the 7th at 11:30 am will be there to hear what he has to say. All this uncertainty doesn't give you a warm fuzzy feeling.

 

[VR28man]

I also will be very interested to hear what Walt says......

 

[Az reefer]

@PacificEastAquaculture Do you think if all coral and fish collection were to be stopped from all oceans, that the hobby could survive on what is being aquacultured and in peoples tanks now?