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Yet the developers of the product who did lab studies have said it doesn’t. See why it’s hard to take your belief as fact? Anyways. I’m over this crap.
Can you site those studies and the developer or do you just believe the bottle and the LFS that it was marketed to to market to you?

You want to question the collective experience and knowledge of all of us, let alone Julian Sprung... but believe the marketing on a bottle as trusted "science"? Do you trust all marketing, or just the marketing you believe?

Second dose, huge difference no dino no hair algae and macro is fine no damage done thus far. Doesn’t seems so dangerous again :)

It is POOL ALGAECIDE alexander. It was not developed for reef tanks. It is marketed to people such as yourself as a quick fix. Like any other treatment or method, it comes with side effects. It is not magic. Yes, it will kill algae, it is algaecide after all. But not all algae in your system is bad or should be killed and not all algae is affected by the chemical. It DOES NOT HOWEVER just target "bad algae".


Here is what I now. Your aquarium is a mess. You keep doing the same thing over and over, and coming here for help to clean up the mess. There people trying to help you are successful and you are failing. Learn something from that.
 
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Can you site those studies and the developer or do you just believe the bottle and the LFS that it was marketed to to market to you?

You want to question the collective experience and knowledge of all of us, let alone Julian Sprung... but believe the marketing on a bottle as trusted "science"? Do you trust all marketing, or just the marketing you believe?



It is POOL ALGAECIDE alexander. It was not developed for reef tanks. It is marketed to people such as yourself as a quick fix. Like any other treatment or method, it comes with side effects. It is not magic. Yes, it will kill algae, it is algaecide after all. But not all algae in your system is bad or should be killed and not all algae is affected by the chemical. It DOES NOT HOWEVER just target "bad algae".


Here is what I now. Your aquarium is a mess. You keep doing the same thing over and over, and coming here for help to clean up the mess. There people trying to help you are successful and you are failing. Learn something from that.
Good god can’t read all of that. I had beautiful green algae growth, coraline algae growth last time so It seems to be a selective algaecide given the fact algae other than brown algae grew during the 10 dosingS LOL.

I have macro in there second dose no harm done thus far. I think you’re blowing the product way out of proportion. Germans made it and I trust my people.
 

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Good god can’t read all of that. I had beautiful green algae growth, coraline algae growth last time so It seems to be a selective algaecide given the fact algae other than brown algae grew during the 10 dosingS LOL.

I have macro in there second dose no harm done thus far. I think you’re blowing the product way out of proportion. Germans made it and I trust my people.

So the guy who only trusts science... can't cite the science, but "German's made it" so it must be good.

I linked a thread above - it lists the chemical. Follow that link and other and read the huge vibrant thread. Educate yourself with the actual science if you wish. It has already been relayed to you, but go read it for yourself.

I think would argue with a lead pipe if you ran into it...
 
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Can you site those studies and the developer or do you just believe the bottle and the LFS that it was marketed to to market to you?

You want to question the collective experience and knowledge of all of us, let alone Julian Sprung... but believe the marketing on a bottle as trusted "science"? Do you trust all marketing, or just the marketing you believe?



It is POOL ALGAECIDE alexander. It was not developed for reef tanks. It is marketed to people such as yourself as a quick fix. Like any other treatment or method, it comes with side effects. It is not magic. Yes, it will kill algae, it is algaecide after all. But not all algae in your system is bad or should be killed and not all algae is affected by the chemical. It DOES NOT HOWEVER just target "bad algae".


Here is what I now. Your aquarium is a mess. You keep doing the same thing over and over, and coming here for help to clean up the mess. There people trying to help you are successful and you are failing. Learn something from that.
J sprung had the confidence to write a book? Ok? And? Guess what, many others didn’t and I can speculate as to why. Probably not enough evidence to state things as fact in a book that can come back to make them look untrustworthy.

That’s just my mere speciations. If the data was so widespread and factual. It would be everywhere and everyone would have a book out about it. The market would be saturated in books about this LOL.
 
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So the guy who only trusts science... can't cite the science, but "German's made it" so it must be good.

You would argue with a lead pipe if you ran into it...
Germans make the best products from cars, chemicals to you name it. So yes, I have trust in German products and I have trust in my people whom make them. I trust when they say it doesn’t affect corals when doses correctly and I trust when they say it targets golden and brown algae’s and not more complex types like some macro.

I experienced last time exactly this. Green algae grew, had coraline for the first time. If it was non selective it would not have allowed for these to populate.
 

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Just as general life advice you may not want to trust someone selling a product to give an honest review of that product. I can sell you Magic Reef Drops that I have verified, in a double blind study, will eradicate all nuisance algae while leaving your biome completely healthy and balanced.

I’m willing to part with it for $99.99/mo, and as a proud German I can vouch that it works and there are absolutely no side effects.
 

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Diesel Gate, Germans made the best product and were truthful about it the entire time. This has been a great read.
 
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I would go to their website and read about it. You’re a grown man evidently. Can’t you do that yourself?
I am not the one trusting or touting their "science" or hanging my hat on it, you are.

You said you only trust science that you can verify. You didn't verify their science, because they didn't publish any. They have usage instructions and broad claims. It is called marketing.

I am also saying that if you had read and understood just some of the science regarding algae, marine systems and algaecides affects, you would understand that there us a lot more going on in the biome than you think.

The fact that you are still attempting to discredit somebody like Julian Sprung's work as not being scientifically valid enough to take advice from, but do trust some random "German" product that has no published science, indicates why we are here.

I honestly suggest going and getting a few of Julian's books. You will have a nice reef, not algae soup :)
 

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I can’t get a hold of live products in BC Canada the way you can in the US and Florida directly for example. I did the best I could for choices available here.

I’m glad it worked for you and so far the rocks I was actually able to get from the ocean directly, I have had no issues in the 10 gallon.

The rocks in the 30 are manmade sustainable rocks that they sell here and they are evidently crap.

Hope you keep going with good experiences :)
What you have is fine and will work, it just takes a bit Extra. A little extra patience, a little extra work, and a lot more patience.

We have all gone through issues with our systems, and those mistakes are how we learn. Nothing worse than starting your morning with 300g of stark white corals, forgetting to turn off an RODI filter and flooding the apartment below.

You have some great recommendations on here. , it’s just not going to happen over night, but it will work if you put in the work. And not the algaecide, lol
 
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I’ve been in aquaria for 15 years. This is a hobby that I love though saltwater has proven to be more challenging. I do not give up, even though at times I feel like I may. That’s not how you succeed in life.
 
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I am not the one trusting or touting their "science" or hanging my hat on it, you are.

You said you only trust science that you can verify. You didn't verify their science, because they didn't publish any. They have usage instructions and broad claims. It is called marketing.

I am also saying that if you had read and understood just some of the science regarding algae, marine systems and algaecides affects, you would understand that there us a lot more going on in the biome than you think.

The fact that you are still attempting to discredit somebody like Julian Sprung's work as not being scientifically valid enough to take advice from, but do trust some random "German" product that has no published science, indicates why we are here.

I honestly suggest going and getting a few of Julian's books. You will have a nice reef, not algae soup :)
There are videos online of the company talking about the product. Can’t remember if it was in German or English. Anyways, made me more confident in using it.
 

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After following this thread for the entertainment value I find I'm no longer grumpy. Thanks Alexander, you may not be able to get your tank straightened out but your threads sure are fun to follow. Kudos to all of you who have the patience to interact with this guy and offer assistance. I don't have that level of patience but I'm not about to leave now this is getting good :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing:
 

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There are videos online of the company talking about the product. Can’t remember if it was in German or English. Anyways, made me more confident in using it.
That is not science, it is marketing. The guy doing the marketing is less trustworthy then the people giving you FREE advice.

He is trying to sell you something.
We are trying to help you.
 
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After following this thread for the entertainment value I find I'm no longer grumpy. Thanks Alexander, you may not be able to get your tank straightened out but your threads sure are fun to follow. Kudos to all of you who have the patience to interact with this guy and offer assistance. I don't have that level of patience but I'm not about to leave now this is getting good :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing:
So do I take the title for grumpy now? Are you willing to pass the torch yet?
 
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That is not science, it is marketing. The guy doing the marketing is less trustworthy then the people giving you FREE advice.

He is trying to sell you something.
We are trying to help you.
I know how marketing works. I have a background in marketing before getting into law….. anyways, I still trust the product enough to use it again. Again, I’ve heard the advice and if I need to use it again, I will. That’s all there is to it.
 

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his is a hobby that I love though saltwater has proven to be more challenging. I do not give up, even though at times I feel like I may. That’s not how you succeed in life.
It would be far less challenging if you let knowledgeable people help you. It does not appear that you actually want help though and instead just want to fight with people. I have no clue why.

Success can be the easy way or the hard way sometimes.

Something tells me that everything about you comes the hard way.

I know how marketing works. I have a background in marketing before getting into law….. anyways,
So only trusting verified science isn't actually important, it was just an excuse to argue with people?

I still trust the product enough to use it again. Again, I’ve heard the advice and if I need to use it again, I will. That’s all there is to it.
...the hard way.
 
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It would be far less challenging if you let knowledgeable people help you. It does not appear that you actually want help though and instead just want to fight with people. I have no clue why.

Success can be the easy way or the hard way sometimes.

Something tells me that everything about you comes the hard way.


So only trusting verified science isn't actually important, it was just an excuse to argue with people?


...the hard way.
I trusted people the first time sir. And it got me into a MAJOR mess. Something I’d never seen before in all my years in the aquarium hobby.

I want science backed advice because last time the advice didn’t help it made the situation uncontainable. I was so open to advice last time without knowing if it was scientifically backed and I followed it and it lead me into a major disaster that I couldn’t handle.

Even though dino came back and hair algae, it was nothing like it was the first time after dosing all the things I was told to and doing blackouts.

That’s why I’m cautious and angry, I really thought some people on here would have better advice than the advice given last time. And then others said it was low nutrient issues others said no they were wrong it’s high nutrient issues my tests are wrong. See why it seems like no one really knows? And why it’s hard to trust? Who’s right and who’s wrong here? Very frustrating
 

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That’s why I’m cautious and angry, I really thought some people on here would have better advice than the advice given last time. And then others said it was low nutrient issues others said no they were wrong it’s high nutrient issues my tests are wrong. See why it seems like no one really knows? And why it’s hard to trust? Who’s right and who’s wrong here? Very frustrating
This I totally get and I feel for you and many others coming into the hobby. I wish I had the magic answer but the only thing I can suggest to you and others new is to try and be selective and choose a select small group of people to take advice from. Read their posts and look at build threads etc and decide if it's someone you are comfortable trusting to advise you. It takes a bit of effort but I think it is worth it. Everyone is an expert now that we have the Internet so we have to sift through all that to get to the good stuff. I'm not big on YouTube and brs but Ryan really got my attention when he said stop following everyone and start following someone. (Apologies to Ryan if the quote isn't exact) Of course if you do find someone you have to be respectful and not challenge all of the advice they offer. ;) Asking questions is fine but you have to do so with respect and not challenge them or try to prove them wrong. Grumpy old guy ramblings over.
 
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