Insane and unstable over 1 year.

[alexanderthefishlover]

Expecting some Indo rock tomorrow- watch for my build thread :)

How lucky. Wish I could get hold of more ocean direct live rocks.

 

[IceNein]

When I started up my 15 gallon, I used about half live rock and sand from TBS. I have not had any serious uglies, granted it's only been six months. I was cycling my tank before the rock came to me, and I was just starting to get a dusting of diatoms, but those went away a week or so after the live rock went in. There was some cyano living about half way down my sand bed along the glass, but I haven't even seen that in a while. But I got tons of feather dusters, micro brittle stars, sponges/tunicates.

When I see other people have lots of problems, I have to think I made a wise choice. I am not so smart or so experienced that I can chalk my lack of uglies to husbandry.

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

When I started up my 15 gallon, I used about half live rock and sand from TBS. I have not had any serious uglies, granted it's only been six months. I was cycling my tank before the rock came to me, and I was just starting to get a dusting of diatoms, but those went away a week or so after the live rock went in. There was some cyano living about half way down my sand bed along the glass, but I haven't even seen that in a while. But I got tons of feather dusters, micro brittle stars, sponges/tunicates.

When I see other people have lots of problems, I have to think I made a wise choice. I am not so smart or so experienced that I can chalk my lack of uglies to husbandry.

I can’t get a hold of live products in BC Canada the way you can in the US and Florida directly for example. I did the best I could for choices available here.

I’m glad it worked for you and so far the rocks I was actually able to get from the ocean directly, I have had no issues in the 10 gallon.

The rocks in the 30 are manmade sustainable rocks that they sell here and they are evidently crap.

Hope you keep going with good experiences :)

 

[BeanAnimal]

When I started up my 15 gallon, I used about half live rock and sand from TBS. I have not had any serious uglies, granted it's only been six months. I was cycling my tank before the rock came to me, and I was just starting to get a dusting of diatoms, but those went away a week or so after the live rock went in. There was some cyano living about half way down my sand bed along the glass, but I haven't even seen that in a while. But I got tons of feather dusters, micro brittle stars, sponges/tunicates.

When I see other people have lots of problems, I have to think I made a wise choice. I am not so smart or so experienced that I can chalk my lack of uglies to husbandry.

Dry rock works well also, but it does certainly take more time to mature. Stability in these systems is far more involved than simple nitrifiers or heterotrophs populating the surfaces. Part of the OPs issues (maybe not all of them) have to do with significant disruptions to that process with chemical algaecide.

My reef is ~20 years old and was started with the original "Reefer Rocks" which are now Marco Rock. I did not add lights right away (it may have sat in the dark with pumps running for two months). I had a bit of cyano and diatoms, but nothing terrible. My "ugly" stage did not come until a few years later when my phosphate were well over 1ppm, dosing was sporadic and general laziness.

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

Where is Randy? Can someone throw this guy a life line and explain his options? Surely, a few of you with chemistry degrees can explain what could be going wrong here other than him not listening to advice. The chemistry is above my pay grade. I just understand basic chem.

Thank you! That’s what I truly wanted from the start not a bunch of grown men having tantrums because I want someone with a background in this field to help me out.

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

I'm a chemical engineer, primary focus is in metallic plating and chemical/metal oxidations. I don't use things in my tank that I don't know the chemical make-up of. They can cause drastic ALK swings, nitrogen swings, calcium precipitation, etc..

If you can't measure for it, don't dose it..

Dino x does alter alk based on tests I did last time when dosing. So I’m prepared in advance this time. I hear what you’re saying! Great info thanks for the advice and warning! I do not want to use the chemical longer than necessary.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I appreciate your candidness. I also appreciate that you are not backing the ideas being thrown at me left and right without enough statical data to prove it effective.

Read the room or at least use the search function and I will think you find that Randy has no problem backing the ideas presented by those that tried to help you -- and in fact, many of those ideas have likely come from threads and conversations with Randy to begin with.

I can't speak for Randy, but like most of the other "grown men" have simply taken their good will and walked away due to your behavior and attitude.

 

[00W]

Thank you! That’s what I truly wanted from the start not a bunch of grown men having tantrums because I want someone with a background in this field to help me out.

Then you should have sent Randy a PM instead of insulting all of us who are just trying to help you, as you asked us to, right?

 

[BeanAnimal]

Dino x does alter alk based on tests I did last time when dosing. So I’m prepared in advance this time. I hear what you’re saying! Great info thanks for the advice and warning! I do not want to use the chemical longer than necessary.

His point was not being prepared to measure ALK - it was to not add the chemical to your tank, because you can't measure for it or its side effects.

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

Read the room or at least use the search function and I will think you find that Randy has no problem backing the ideas presented by those that tried to help you -- and in fact, many of those ideas have likely come from threads and conversations with Randy to begin with.

I can't speak for Randy, but like most of the other "grown men" have simply taken their good will and walked away due to your behavior and attitude.

That’s totally fine. Walk away :) I will not beg a grown man to stay and bicker when it’s totally unnecessary and gets us both no where.

I already said I appreciate peoples input! But, I just don’t know how credible it is. That’s all I said and a bunch of old men got triggered. I do not have time to argue with grown men who can’t accept that I do not need to heed their words.

At the end of the day the choice to use a chemical is my own. It could also be my biggest mistake, or my best decision. Anyways, save your energy and stop the arguing.

All I wanted was someone to try and determine the actual pathology of the issue not critique my decisions to add things. I just wanted someone to say “hey the late is taking in the nutrients” (someone did say that makes total sense) I didn’t need people telling me I’m full of it and that nitrates are there when all tests said they weren’t. People can’t accept the facts I gave about my situation yet want me to heed their advice

I mean, really people. I do not have time to argue further. If someone wants to give me advice about the pathology and the issues I discussed with evidence based advice, I’m all ears.

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

Then you should have sent Randy a PM instead of insulting all of us who are just trying to help you, as you asked us to, right?

I wanted the pathology diagnosed as best as possible not my actions to be dissected and to have a bunch of grown men try and tell me what to add what not to add without explaining the pathology of the problem I’m facing first and why what they are suggesting will or will not work based on scientific data or trials and errors.

 

[reefbandit]

No magic cure to your problems. People have given you solid advice and you ignore it. There is no magic cure in this hobby . Also there no magic science fairy that’s going to jump on here and solve all your problems for you.

You are creating a synthetic ocean in your home whatever applies to marine biology does not necessarily apply to a hobbiest tank. Lot of experienced folks here you are flat out ignoring.

Do what works for you. This is all one big experiment at best. Perhaps Dino X will cure your tank of all ailments perhaps not. Only one way to find out. If it doesn’t work maybe maple syrup will.

 

[BeanAnimal]

At the end of the day the choice to use a chemical is my own. It could also be my biggest mistake, or my best decision. Anyways, save your energy and stop the arguing.

You can pour anything in your tank you wish.

You keep coming to this site and asking for help, then insulting the people trying to help you.

All I wanted was someone to try and determine the actual pathology of the issue...

What part of "The algaecide that you are using is harming beneficial organisms in your system and keeping it a state of perpetual imbalance" are you not understanding? For goodness sake, Julian Sprung's book on the subject was cited and you called him unqualified.

How can anybody begin to help you when you already have all of the answers?

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

No magic cure to your problems. People have given you solid advice and you ignore it. There is no magic cure in this hobby . Also there no magic science fairy that’s going to jump on here and solve all your problems for you.

You are creating a synthetic ocean in your home whatever applies to marine biology does not necessarily apply to a hobbiest tank. Lot of experienced folks here you are flat out ignoring.

Do what works for you. This is all one big experiment at best. Perhaps Dino X will cure your tank of all ailments perhaps not. Only one way to find out. If it doesn’t work maybe maple syrup will.

Maple syrup sounds like that better idea than what you’ve proposed thus far.

Good old Canadian touch always helps.

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

You can pour anything in your tank you wish.

You keep coming to this site and asking for help, then insulting the people trying to help you.



What part of "The algaecide that you are using is harming beneficial organisms in your system and keeping it a state of perpetual imbalance" are you not understanding? For goodness sake, Julian Sprung's book on the subject was cited and you called him unqualified.

How can anybody begin to help you when you already have all of the answers?

Yet the developers of the product who did lab studies have said it doesn’t. See why it’s hard to take your belief as fact? Anyways. I’m over this crap.

I never insulted ANYONE here. Your ego is MASSIVE if you actually think I’ve insulted by simply asking for more details and facts to suitor personal claims. Good god. The sensitivity in this chat is insane.

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

You can pour anything in your tank you wish.

You keep coming to this site and asking for help, then insulting the people trying to help you.



What part of "The algaecide that you are using is harming beneficial organisms in your system and keeping it a state of perpetual imbalance" are you not understanding? For goodness sake, Julian Sprung's book on the subject was cited and you called him unqualified.

How can anybody begin to help you when you already have all of the answers?

I do not have all the answers at all hence why I’ve asked for accredited help

 

[00W]

Your decision to take fact as an insult isn’t my problem to worry about. Grow up grow a pair and accept that people don’t need to heed your advice

Completely uncool bro.
Not cool at all.

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

You can pour anything in your tank you wish.

You keep coming to this site and asking for help, then insulting the people trying to help you.



What part of "The algaecide that you are using is harming beneficial organisms in your system and keeping it a state of perpetual imbalance" are you not understanding? For goodness sake, Julian Sprung's book on the subject was cited and you called him unqualified.

How can anybody begin to help you when you already have all of the answers?

Second dose, huge difference no dino no hair algae and macro is fine no damage done thus far. Doesn’t seems so dangerous again :)

 

[alexanderthefishlover]

Completely uncool bro.
Not cool at all.

Im not one to care about being cool. You don’t get far trying to impress others. I’m candid and I speak my mind.

I think honesty is admirable no matter whom it offends.

 

[00W]

Im not one to care about being cool. You don’t get far trying to impress others. I’m candid and I speak my mind.

I think honesty is admirable no matter whom it offends.

This was not speaking your mind.
In any way.
It's being disrespectful.
In every way.
I help people all day.
That's what I do.
Feel free to visit my thread where grown men and women help each other in a respectful, grown up loving way.