But Paul cabinetman has the answers. He guarantees anybody including you and me will have tank wipeouts due to not QTing sooner or later. We can assume therefore we have just not waited long enough that's all. Also you/we have an agenda. I have asked him twice now but it appears he is reluctant to expose our agendas which I conclude is very good of him not to expose those agendas so we can continue to conspire against whoever or whatever. Personally I make no money out of this hobby, no books no snake oil potions in fact I have nothing to sell what so ever. So I will ask again cabinetmaker report these agendas of which you speak so we can expose the truth of our writings and just what is behind them. Thanks.That is the answer, but don't tell anyone.
Just call me Paul. Paul B is my stage name.
Let me first say that this is a friendly debate and I hold no ill feelings to anyone here that either agrees or disagrees with my theories. I like all you guys and girls (If any of you are girls) I have been debating this for decades and have thick skin. I also have nothing to prove as people have been visiting my tank since the 70s and they know how it runs. It is not a secret and I have documented everything in pictures articles and a book. By the name of my book is "The Avent Garde Marine Aquarist" and the definition of Avent-Garde is (From Webster)
Quote: The avant-garde are people or works that are experimental, radical, or unorthodox with respect to art, culture, or society. It may be characterized by nontraditional, aesthetic innovation and initial unacceptability, and it may offer a critique of the relationship between producer and consumer. The avant-garde pushes the boundaries of what is accepted as the norm or the status quo, primarily in the cultural realm. The avant-garde is considered by some to be a hallmark of modernism,
I named it that for a reason. I do not think inside the box. I have developed my theories through experimentation and mostly failure way before computers, cell phones or Google. I learned what I know from keeping different specimins and spending almost 300 hours underwater studying them. I have spawned almost every normal fish that can be spawned and I didn't get any previous knowledge from rumors or the internet which, to me was invented last Tuesday. I have been keeping fish every day of my life for about 63 years.
If my fish are not living disease free for their entire natural lifespan which varies from bangai cardinals (about 4 years) to watchman gobies) about 13 years) to bluestripe pipefish (about 5 years to clownfish (about 30 years) Then I am lying. If I am lying, there is no point in anyone reading my theories. I have old, healthy fish which I have posted about for many years. Much longer than anyone here who quarantines or not.
I can continue to answer all these "accusations"or questions as best I can. But it is silly as I have done it so many times and my tank is still running very healthy. If anyone here lives on Long Island and Has a sick fish, bring it to my house and throw it in my tank with my blessings and see if anything happens.
Trust me, I know very well the ich life cycle. It is silly as ich should not affect your fish. No one seems to understand how this works even though I have posted it dozens of times and linked scientific studies. Having immune fish does not mean not having parasites. Just the opposite. The parasites in my and Atolls tank are happily living and reproducing in our tanks. What you can't grasp is that the parasites eat fish slime. They attach to the fish and get a meal of slime or if they are lucky some blood. The fishes immune system which is very strong in their slime, which is a living part of the fish, sends antiparasitic cells to the site of the parasite and the parasite is "chased" away (for lack of a better word.) The parasites do not necessarily die just like if someone sprayed you with tear gas, you won't die, but you will be chased away.
If the parasite got enough to eat it will drop off and spawn.
The babies will go and look for a fish to bother and the same thing will happen. It doesn't matter the number of the parasites, the fishes immune system will chase them off. I wrote this:
http://www.saltwatersmarts.com/marine-fish-heal-through-slime-3962/
The Ozone in my tank will probably kill some parasites that go through it but my Ozonizer goes into my skimmer which takes water from the surface and most of the parasites will be at the bottom. But be as it may, the diatom filter which I use maybe once a year for an hour or so doesn't do anything to parasites except maybe remove a few of them. But I "don't want to remove parasites" If I did, I would not have an immune tank. This is a simple concept and it works the same in fish as it does in us.
As I said, if my fish are not immune, then I am a liar and no one should read this. But if you want to keep your fish disease free forever with no quarantine or medications, maybe you can learn something. Of course you can always go to the disease forum and check out how those people keep their fish.
( I know you said you believe me, it is the method you doubt)
MnFish, my Friend. This is totally wrong. There are of course bacteria everywhere. But most of them do not cause disease. Some help us digest food and without them we would die. It is the disease causing bacteria the fish (and us) need to be immune.
I found that article about the Space Station while researching fish diseases. It was only there to show (in humans) that without an influx of fresh bacteria "Humans" lose their immune system. I didn't make that up, I linked the article, I think it was Popular Science.
You can get immunity to Mosquitoes in Africa or other places just as the people I was with in the Jungle of Viet Nam were almost immune to malaria.
The natives there were bitten constantly by mosquitoes and I never saw any of them with malaria. If they were not immune, there would be no people there as they had no medications and lived their entire life in a jungle. I had to take an anti malaria pill every day as it was a court martial offense to get malaria and you were pretty certain to get it if you did not take the pill. I even took it for months after I got home.
The ones in Africa and Viet Nam who are dying from malaria are in horrible conditions, mal nourished, infected from wounds or very old or young.
The people living in good conditions in the cities are mostly healthy. Malaria is a parasite somewhat like ich. We also can use the same medications to cure it like Quinicrine Hydrocloride. (if you mix that with copper it will clear a fish of ich in a day)
Giving people mosquito nets will have the same effect of quarantine. They are fine until that one mosquito bites them.
Why doesn't anyone get the fact that fish in the sea eat parasites with almost every meal. What happens to those parasites?
Good quality food with no pathogens will do little to effect a fishes immunity just like if you take that boy in the bubble and feed him the best food there is. He still won't be able to leave the bubble because he has no immunity.
I just took a 6 hour course on the Plague and it was originally thought to be a virus from rats. Just recently they found out that descendants that survived the Plague are immune to Aids which is a bacteria. The doctors at the time didn't describe the symptoms very well and almost anyone that died of almost anything at the time were thought to have the Plague. But that is neither here nor there. They are dead either way. (The Plague was also three different diseases)
It has nothing to do with NSW or access to the sea. I use live blackworms, live whiteworms or clams that I buy live and freeze. I don't have to feed these foods every day. A couple of times a week seems to be efficient.
In the early days I used to put garden soil from my yard in my tank. That was Robert Straughn's Idea (The Father of Salt Water Fish Keeping)
"The Salt Water Aquarium in The Home".
We aquarists are under the (wrong) impression that bacteria from the environment or foods are bad. Most commercially available foods state right on the package "Safe from Harmful Bacteria and Parasites".
Anyway, that is my "theory" on how I keep fish immune. You may have another theory on how my and Atolls fish are immune. I do not feel it is Ozone or a diatom filter. I do not know any other way to describe it but as I said, I have been doing this a long time and that is what I came up with. If it is wrong, then no one should do what I or Atoll does.