Lineage

[reefpeeper]

What is the deal with this. Maybe this has been brought up before, but why does everybody want to know the lineage of certain corals? If the coral looks like what the person says it is then why is lineage important? Not trying to be a smart butt, but why?

 

[MarkL]

What is lineage any way?Is it a piece of paper from the person that claimed a name.If you find a rare coral at a lfs and call it a certain name do you get to say its lineage is me?

 

[ddiver]

there are plenty of lookalikes that are fresh from the wild , the whole point behind lineage is to ensure buying a coral that has been raised and propagated in captivity and known to survive in our tanks...

 

[KLR]

I dont really see the point either, but i think it is like as an example if you have a really special antique or something and you have authenticy papers then it keeps its value if not its not proven to be real even though you are very sure it is authentic,it isnt on a pc, paper,etc., so it cant be proven.

 

[clowns101]

The quesrtion really is, why not liange your pieces?

When pieces of coral,are nice,exotic,rare,morph to a diffirent color,grow fraster,produce better in captivivty,etc.they will put it on linage.

Linage insures the fragment you are purchasing,is the real deal.Most of the pieces out of the wild may look similer,but when right next to each other,may be in fact,quite diffirent.So this is why linage is important and matters to some.

Its like buying a dog.People who show their dogs,dont want to buy a mut,its the same thing with corals.WE WANT THE REAL DEAL!

I think the linage is a good thing,yet it does raise the price of the corals.If I can find a cheaper wild version that looks the same,why not.I would rather save $500 on My Miami and get a look alike for $250.But if its a simple watermelon chalice,or a really nice Favia,Acropora,Motipora,or a Paly,I will buy it if its not over priced.And to be $250 isnt over priced if its nice.And most pices today arent over $250 if they arent RARE.

Linage is a great thing to have,it will increase the price,but yet again,it will insure you get the real deal.I know I wouldnt want to buy Tyree Lime In the Sky Acropora if it werent the real deal.Some colors of corals havent been reproduced from the wild,I have yet to see,a wild Lime In The Sky colony come in from the wild.If we get 1 piece of it from the wild,and thats it,that means we can propagate it,provide more of it.

I see nothing wrong with Linage untill it starts to cause the price to go up to to roof.And yes,prices are high,but they are still pretty cheap considering you can always sell a piece of the coral later on in life.

I do think that however,prices can be stupid when linage come into play.I dont think some coral should have sold for $2000+,but its market demand,and thats what linage is about to some people.To me its like buying dogs.

Call up Jhon Danakan and ask him why he keeps records of his Bazooka Joe.

Happy Reefing!

 

[CHALICEKEEPER]

Making sure your getting the real deal. Who wants garbage, not me.

 

[reefer916]

Lineage gives me peace of mind, especially when I'm going to spend a decent chunk of cash on a coral. If someone calls something a Tyree Bazooka Joe I want to make sure that I'm getting that specific coral. I know they are aqualcultured and the colors will remain relatively the same because they've been aquacultured. Wild colonies are often times beautiful, but in certain species, such as, acroporas they could bleach, brownout, or die because they aren't accustomed to captive environments. They could also become the next "LE" coral, but either way they are all from the wild. Just some have been propogated grown in captivity for generations. Lineage protects people from paying $100 for a single polyp of a "Red Hornet" that was really caught from the wild and the guy bought the 50 polyp colony for $40 and wants to make some quick cash. You get the frag and the polyps melt because they weren't accustomed to capitivity. Anyways, I enjoy buying ORA, Tyree, etc. because I know what the colors are going to turn out to be. They also provide a much better resale and trade value for long time reefers who don't want to spend the extra cash. However, I haven't hit the point where my tank doesn't empty out my wallet every few weeks:)

 

[OCREEFMASTER]

So wait, I have boughten some pieces that were apparenty "the real deal" and they didn't come with papers of authenticity? Bubble Gum Monster, Tyree LE Fire and Ice, LE Miami Hurricane...so on, so on. If I were to sell them, how would I prove that?

 

[clowns101]

So wait, I have boughten some pieces that were apparenty "the real deal" and they didn't come with papers of authenticity? Bubble Gum Monster, Tyree LE Fire and Ice, LE Miami Hurricane...so on, so on. If I were to sell them, how would I prove that?

To be honest,I have NEVER had a coral come with papers.I have typed up papers on my corals though,and I keep them in a filing cabnit...lol

Call up the guy you bought the corals from,ask him where he got them,then ask that guy where they came from,and so on and so forth till you get to the originator!

 

[Troylee]

i think it is useless these days but it did have a purpose at one time.....

 

[KLR]

what i do is email/pm the person about lineage then I copy and paste the lineage part of the conversation in a microsoft word file, and i have them saved in the pc

 

[clowns101]

what i do is email/pm the person about lineage then I copy and paste the lineage part of the conversation in a microsoft word file, and i have them saved in the pc

Im old school,keep all my coral papers in a file cabnit.Works well for me,and then I can copy a new sheet from my copier and then send that when I ship a coral out.

 

[ddiver]

there is no way to really prove lineage.. you just have to buy from a reputable reefer to begin with....

 

[clowns101]

there is no way to really prove lineage.. you just have to buy from a reputable reefer to begin with....

Yes,or right from Tyree,or originator,I always buy stuff with a reutable person.There is no question about buying from a person I dont know anyone buys from.

 

[drainbamage]

Lineage is just as important as buying a "name" brand say, car part. You may be getting something really similar for cheaper, but it's not the same thing. Things that can happen are mentioned above-not actually the same brilliance/color, not a proven survivor in captivity, or not a proven color holder.

Other reason is the collector aspect-in any hobby you'll find folks who enjoy collecting the rare and oddball. I did it with reptiles, now I still enjoy it in corals, and someday I might do it with who knows what else. For those folks, like antiques, some form of accurate documentation is helpful to truly prove where the piece came from. Usually documentation is paper, can also be something else. It just depends how exacting you are for the accuracy of the trail of where it came from. If you don't get some form of documentation, you're doing business entirely on trust. I'd reckon the majority of us in the hobby aren't THAT worried about it and trust the folks we're doing trades/sales with on their word. But if you know you want a extremely specific coral, and it really concerns you to make sure it actually is from a specific colony, then get some documentation.