Micro Scrubbing Bubbles.

[Cruz_Arias]

Ok so you guys say that I need a laser pointer or flashlight to see the small bubbles correct ?

Yes... they reflect and refract light like little twinkles... like fairy dust like...

 

[Cruz_Arias]

I would test this in your tank before bubbling. I wonder if some of the speckles you will see is not detritus particles in the water column.

You'll notice the difference pretty easily! :) detritus looks white and doesn't twinkle. Where as the bubble still acts like a prism and bends the light... it's pretty cool! :)

 

[kstone2274]

Really...

 

[Lasse]

My setup has a rather long path for. Return pump to tank (2x1 inch tubes around 30 feet in length each half vertical half horizontal at relative high pressure flow) do you think the added forced contact time will affect bubbles size or have any advantages/disadvantages?
Got a spare Eheim skimmer pump I can throw on a timer in the return partition of the pump just before the input of the return pumps.

Be aware of the things discussed at Post 108 - 117

Sincerely Lasse

 

[Lasse]

Doubts are fine, but doesn't mean it isn't generated.

I can walk you through it in setup and correct method of generation.

Once again, just because its not obviously apparent, try it and use an led flash light or laser pointer and observe it first hand.

Counter attack :)

Believes are fine, but doesn´t mean is generated :) :)

Do you use an infrared laser pointer?

Infrared lights is in use when you test turbidity like in this machine http://www.directindustry.com/prod/tintometer-lovibond/product-107499-1075583.html

You can probably see if there is very small bubbles in the sample – but no way that you can judge the size of them in the range of 200 micrometer to 40 nanometer with a laser pointer. You will see a lot of fruit – but not if it is melons or cherries

The difference between nanobubbles and microbubbles is, as I have understand, their stability. Nanobubbles can last for weeks even if the water is normally aerated. It could be interesting to make a sample and let it stand with circulation for a month and see if you still can detect any bubbles

But I do not understand why so many sticks to the option that its nanobubbles we are dealing with.

I doubt the occurrences of nanobubbles in the proposed method but I certainly not doubt all positive experiences of the method people has reported. It could be that way that it works well. IMO – if we stick to the nanobubbles theory – we maybe can´t see what’s really happens and are not able to develop the method further.


Sincerely Lasse

 

[Reefermadness73]

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/large-aquariums-180g/103069-rockys-280g-peninsula.html
This reefer is local to me and I have seen this tank in person before he tore it down... He used air injection. He explains it a little on page 4. This tank was setup 4 years ago

 

[Thales]

Counter attack :)

Believes are fine, but doesn´t mean is generated :) :)

Do you use an infrared laser pointer?

Infrared lights is in use when you test turbidity like in this machine http://www.directindustry.com/prod/tintometer-lovibond/product-107499-1075583.html

You can probably see if there is very small bubbles in the sample – but no way that you can judge the size of them in the range of 200 micrometer to 40 nanometer with a laser pointer. You will see a lot of fruit – but not if it is melons or cherries

The difference between nanobubbles and microbubbles is, as I have understand, their stability. Nanobubbles can last for weeks even if the water is normally aerated. It could be interesting to make a sample and let it stand with circulation for a month and see if you still can detect any bubbles

But I do not understand why so many sticks to the option that its nanobubbles we are dealing with.

I doubt the occurrences of nanobubbles in the proposed method but I certainly not doubt all positive experiences of the method people has reported. It could be that way that it works well. IMO – if we stick to the nanobubbles theory – we maybe can´t see what’s really happens and are not able to develop the method further.


Sincerely Lasse

At 1:20 in this video they mention that nano bubbles apparently can't be made without ceramic, it also looks like the footage with the laser was sped up -

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Counter attack :)

Believes are fine, but doesn´t mean is generated :) :)

Do you use an infrared laser pointer?

Infrared lights is in use when you test turbidity like in this machine http://www.directindustry.com/prod/tintometer-lovibond/product-107499-1075583.html

You can probably see if there is very small bubbles in the sample – but no way that you can judge the size of them in the range of 200 micrometer to 40 nanometer with a laser pointer. You will see a lot of fruit – but not if it is melons or cherries

The difference between nanobubbles and microbubbles is, as I have understand, their stability. Nanobubbles can last for weeks even if the water is normally aerated. It could be interesting to make a sample and let it stand with circulation for a month and see if you still can detect any bubbles

But I do not understand why so many sticks to the option that its nanobubbles we are dealing with.

I doubt the occurrences of nanobubbles in the proposed method but I certainly not doubt all positive experiences of the method people has reported. It could be that way that it works well. IMO – if we stick to the nanobubbles theory – we maybe can´t see what’s really happens and are not able to develop the method further.


Sincerely Lasse

What counter attack?!?

To detect nanobubbles we've utilized led flaslights and laser pointers as shown in the video...

Lasse, for the record, what i said about you was a COMPLIMENT.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

At 1:20 in this video they mention that nano bubbles apparently can't be made without ceramic, it also looks like the footage with the laser was sped up -

But they can... and we have, based on how THEY detect if there's nanobubbles. We also define our method as MICRO-NANObubbles... as the in between size.


"Looks like its sped up" is speculative also... gotta stop assuming or guessing, please. Just makes everyone pressume something incorrect.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

We all have to drop "feelings" and "opinions" at the doorstep... lol

Assumptions are ok, but Rich, you know you have people that cling to your every word... let them try it.

@Lasse try it. It can be an empty tank. Try it...

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Be aware of the things discussed at Post 108 - 117

Sincerely Lasse

Most of that was speculative, though.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Thanks! Your experience with dinos seems to model the problem burning itself out - weather it is from the bubbles, the sand change, it just running its course, or any of the other things you tried is an interesting thing to consider.

Dinos do not burn itself out in 10 days typically...
@joseph.lucketta, how long were you fighting dinos before you ran the dinoflagellate regimen?

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Funny you say that. Because that's the reason for me asking I will go out later on today and get a pointer and led flashlight I think that's what they said would work

If you have bubbles popping in the tank, the bubbles are too large...

@Diesel knows how to generate the micro-nanobubbles with a wooden air stone... as we have discussed this at length...

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Brian has this device to generate ultrafine bubbles...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=492475117624472&id=1511705699091667

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Randy, it has ALWAYS been told in the method to place the aiepump in a fresh air location such as by a window.

It's part of the method.

That's good. I'm wasn't commenting on what you are recommending, but rather on what some folks are actually using or likely to be using. :)

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Doubts are fine, but doesn't mean it isn't generated.

I can walk you through it in setup and correct method of generation.

Once again, just because its not obviously apparent, try it and use an led flash light or laser pointer and observe it first hand.

How are you demonstrating nanobubbles and excluding microbubbles causing the effects using a laser pointer?

 

[Cruz_Arias]

With all the positives we are seeing,

This is my question to those questioning generation and production type and size verification.

IS THIS MICRO-NANOBUBBLE AERATION WORTH LOOKING INTO?

 

[Diesel]

If you have bubbles popping in the tank, the bubbles are too large...

@Diesel knows how to generate the micro-nanobubbles with a wooden air stone... as we have discussed this at length...

I have mine diffuser just sitting 2" away from the return pump, majority of the bubbles that come from the lime wood diffuser is going to the surface of my water in the sump, you don't need those as it will take to much energy away through the returns in order to become useful micronanos, at the end most of them pop on the surface of your tank that way.
The smaller bubbles the kind of floating through the water get picked up by the weir in the sump and will end up in the tank.
At first I thought it wasn't working but after a good hour I saw the haze of bubbles in the tank with my Orpheck blue LED flashlight.
Now the next day after the first time is putting your nose on the glass to see a difference...... we all do that but just give it time as most of the stuff in this hobby.
Of course like everything else in this hobby each to his own way to bubble, there will be always a different method as long you use fresh air.
I like to thanks the guys at Elegant Corals behind this to bring us another tool to use to success.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

How are you demonstrating nanobubbles and excluding microbubbles causing the effects using a laser pointer?

At this point we cannot talk or speak in absolutes.

It's based on probability and generating the smallest bubbles possible as cost effective as possible ;)

And yes, even after our bubbling duration, using a rudimentary method to detect presence, such as the laser pointer, is proof that the generation method proposed is actually producing micro-nanos... in what percentage is speculation at the moment.

Being that these nanobubbles remain for longer periods of time, their density in remaining in solution is additive...

 

[Jonty]

I do not feel I am achieving "nano bubbles" and don't really worry about it, my personal observation is that the bubbles from a wooden airstone lift slime away from coral and there is an increased O2 levels while the bubbles are being produced. The net effect for me has been a perceived elevated coral growth and better general tank health