Multiple Names for the same Coral.......

[Sikryd]

I imagine a lot of this has to do with some people - NOT just vendors - wanting a coral with their name in it -

Like "so-and-so's hybrid wm"

I have seen sooooo many Hybrid WM, it makes me wonder if they are all really just the same one re-named everytime someone picks on up.


Names are here to stay, same with people re-naming stuff. There isn't really any control on it, nor is it feasible to do so.

As long as big $$$ is in reefing, it will continue to stay this way.

 

[Reef Pets]

I am never wanting someone to name the coral, I always post for an ID to see if there is a name for a coral. I would typically never ask someone to name the coral, my wife loves naming them, dont know why.

Of course it is the same coral, zoanthids are zoanthids but morphs (them changing) is what makes them different in my opinion. When they enter someone elses tank they will not change back to what they were before entering my tank.

I think we are just looking at the issue from two different angles.

The reason you don't get replies because everyone gives out free frags for naming a coral. Again Gary, I don't know if you do this but I have seen it lots on here. Of course people are going to start throwing names out there and not taking the time to do research for free frags. I think people need to understand better what flow and lighting can do to corals. That is why I have been experimenting and researching for months now. And when a coral morphs, it is still the same coral as before, it's just your conditions in your tank changed the look of it.

 

[wicked demon]

Ya cuz we the consumer (who feul this hobby BTW) shouldn't have any say in this???

IMHO a coral that does different things in different conditions is still the same coral regardless of the spin a vendor puts on it or the flashy photoshoped pic that will NEVER look the same in ANY aquarium ie; the melting pot,--- what a joke.

On a sde note,
Notice nobody tried to rename the melting pot, --why? cuz its brown crap.

Well I have read this post a few times and I never get involved but I must say I’m with Gary on this on. But I must say I think this should have been in the private sponsor form. I don’t think this is a vendor problem as who here can say they never sale there frags so wouldn’t that make us all vendors?

 

[macawmagic]

I have to say that the main subject for this arguement is the eagle eyes. I personally have 4 diffarent types of eagle eyes. ones with yellower skirts, ones with green skirts, and the long lash eagle eyes. They're all in the same tank with the same flow and I'd have to say that there IS a diffarence.

As for naming. I don't think everyone makes names just to put a high dollar on the frag. I think people make names because its easier to comprehend everything when they have names. Why do humans have names? so u don't have to say the short chubby man...u can say BILL.

 

[Sikryd]

I think we are just looking at the issue from two different angles.

+1

If I was a vendor, I would do the same thing and name corals to help with pricing and identification.

I have also seen a lot of similiar morphs that are wild, but totally different than the original named morph - ie. brightness, color depth, ect.

 

[dream coral]

wicked demon
I only posted that as it seemed like a attack and yes everyone should have a say in this as we are all hobbyist and some sort of vendor

 

[makingbubbles]

I can see this thread going on and on.

 

[dream coral]

macawmagic thats great lol
"As for naming. I don't think everyone makes names just to put a high dollar on the frag. I think people make names because its easier to comprehend everything when they have names. Why do humans have names? so u don't have to say the short chubby man...u can say BILL."

 

[Reef Pets]

I agree, the same coral should not have the same name. But, Long Lash Eagle Eyes are completely different. They are not Eagle Eyes with long lashes from flow. They are actually a different color and they have long lashes even in low flow.

I think what I am considering as Long Lash Eagle Eyes are different than what you are considering as Long Lash Eagle Eyes.
In person I se a HUGE difference.

He is a prime example of the same polyp but different color/morph. Look at the size, the skirt, lines that go from the outer edge to the mouth, the mouth and the color of the mouth. They even have the same color mouth. But, what stands them apart is the color morph, nothing more and nothing less. Therefore, to ID them they have total different names. Thats the only point that I am trying to make. Different colors have to make a different coral or a chalice would be a chalice and a zoanthid would be a zoanthid, names would be pointless.

CoralPedia.com! :: The definitive repository for named Corals!

CoralPedia.com! :: The definitive repository for named Corals!

Actually Gary, I have to disagree - I've seen individuals post Long Lash Eagle Eyes for sale other than you. Just my $.02 worth, but I have to agree with Mike on this one - the multiple names (of the same coral) due two things; confuse individuals who are trying to figure out the name in the first place. For example, there is a guy localy who bought Bam-bams from a vendor as Blinding Atomics, no morph - no lighting differences, just a different name. Now everytime I refer to his Bam-bams as Bam-bams, he gets all bent out of shape, like they are something different. There is a on-line vendor who set up a sit with lots of pictures of named corals and changed the names on lots of them - now individuals are sending others there to ID their frags, result = more confusion on an already confusing topic. And two, in some cases its just a hype to try and sell the same coral, sometimes using different lighting. For example, if I take pictures of some of my PE zoas under LED lighting and rename it, how upset are people who buy it going to be if I call my RPE Blazing Atomic PE and all they get is RPE? IMO the name game is confusing enough without vendors naming every new coral they get in a new name and selling it under that new name. Pretty soon Radioactive Dragon Eyes are know by six different names.

 

[Reef Pets]

In all honesty, I dont come up with names to make more money. Heck, about 99 percent of the coral that I sell are already named and I sell them on auction starting at 99 cents.
But, the names are neat to come up with, but for me its not for profit. Take a look at the coral that I sell on eBay most of the chalice just say chalice. On the other hand there are vendors and hobbyist alike that come up with cool sounding names to make an extra buck. Sometimes it works and sometimes it dont.

+1

If I was a vendor, I would do the same thing and name corals to help with pricing and identification.

I have also seen a lot of similiar morphs that are wild, but totally different than the original named morph - ie. brightness, color depth, ect.

 

[Reef Pets]

See.... I could get confused with Bill if his name was not Bill and mine Gary. :bigsmile:

macawmagic thats great lol
"As for naming. I don't think everyone makes names just to put a high dollar on the frag. I think people make names because its easier to comprehend everything when they have names. Why do humans have names? so u don't have to say the short chubby man...u can say BILL."

 

[Blackhawk Fan]

Hi, I'm Mike. :)

 

[Reef Pets]

I would have to see you, do you look any different than MikeB? :bigsmile:

 

[dream coral]

Hi I’m tall balding guy Ya no we need names

 

[Sikryd]

But, the names are neat to come up with, but for me its not for profit.

They are fun to try and think of something that fits the coral.

I personally only have 3 corals that I have named myself. That is out of hundreds of wild stuff I bought with "potential".
I stick to naming only the nicest of the nice stuff.
I have yet to sell a frag of any of "my" named corals though. I'm sure I will one day, but the naming had nothing to do with money. More for the fun of it and after the hard work of finally getting something decent in and working with it for over a year each.

 

[Reef Pets]

Now we are poking fun.... MikeB, I do want to see your photos of before and after. I find things like that very interesting. When I plan to grow out a coral from a frag the most interesting part of it to me is watching how fast it grows and the color changes it goes through. This is why your experiment interest me.
Gary

 

[Wy Renegade]

I agree, the same coral should not have the same name. But, Long Lash Eagle Eyes are completely different. They are not Eagle Eyes with long lashes from flow. They are actually a different color and they have long lashes even in low flow.

I think what I am considering as Long Lash Eagle Eyes are different than what you are considering as Long Lash Eagle Eyes.
In person I se a HUGE difference.

He is a prime example of the same polyp but different color/morph. Look at the size, the skirt, lines that go from the outer edge to the mouth, the mouth and the color of the mouth. They even have the same color mouth. But, what stands them apart is the color morph, nothing more and nothing less. Therefore, to ID them they have total different names. Thats the only point that I am trying to make. Different colors have to make a different coral or a chalice would be a chalice and a zoanthid would be a zoanthid, names would be pointless.

CoralPedia.com! :: The definitive repository for named Corals!

CoralPedia.com! :: The definitive repository for named Corals!

I agree, if it truly is a different color morph, that is consistent or stays, it should have a different name. However, that should be proven over several generations - many of these corals are being named upon arrival or the first time they show up in a tank (and yes I agree that hobbiests are just as responsible as the vendors). How many, "Introducing . . " or "LE . . ." or "Presenting . . ." have we seen on the boards in just the last two days? How can a coral, which is going to grow and be fragged be LE? If I have three polyps of Nuclear Green in my tank and I'm selling one of the three, and nobody else in my area has this paly, can I call mine LE Nuclear Green?

 

[Reef Pets]

I always check to see if the coral has been named already. But, if I cant find the name on the internet then I assume its not names and if it is the name has not been published to where it can be found.
Its just fun but I agree that it should not be confusing.
Its cool when the name sticks. Look at me, everyone knows me from one named coral. Who dont know the name of that coral on this thread?

So yeah, its cool naming a coral when the name sticks or becomes popular.

But, the names are neat to come up with, but for me its not for profit.

They are fun to try and think of something that fits the coral.

I personally only have 3 corals that I have named myself. That is out of hundreds of wild stuff I bought with "potential".
I stick to naming only the nicest of the nice stuff.
I have yet to sell a frag of any of "my" named corals though. I'm sure I will one day, but the naming had nothing to do with money. More for the fun of it and after the hard work of finally getting something decent in and working with it for over a year each.

 

[dream coral]

I wish it was easier for all of us to research names but I thought that is why we are all here. If you see a Id request take a look lets help each other.

 

[wicked demon]

I wish it was easier for all of us to research names but I thought that is why we are all here. If you see a Id request take a look lets help each other.

I agree totaly, we do need to help each other, and do more research before name slinging.