My Current QT Process

[Hallowhead]

I quit using metroplex, the potency is fairly diluted. I starting using pharmaceutical grade metronidazole from Fishman. It is MUCH more effective. They only sell it in bulk though and for a hobbyist treating a few fish here or there it may not make sense to purchase.

https://www.fishchemical.com/METRONIDAZOLE--22989.Item.html

Yeah I won't be purchasing that! I would be burying that with me in my grave. Metroplex it is for now.

 

[HotRocks]

Thank you!

I am nervous and overwhelmed with starting out this process as I don't wanna mix medications that my fish will just die. I have read just about every sticky on this thread so I think I am ready to try.

I will be trying to mix metroplex & focus to begin on my clowns and than do a water change after a week and administer general cure. Can I be using cupramine the entire time?

I don't really use cupramine much anymore. I use chelated copper and I feed medicated food during copper all the time without issue. I would not combine general cure with copper unless its an emergency (if you are talking about dosing the water, adding it to food with focus is fine during copper) I would wait until copper treatment is complete and the water is copper free, then move on to using GC or prazipro.

Praziquantel is very hard on the available oxygen in the aquarium so with the reduction of oxygen plus the immune system suppression from copper I would advise against it unless you have a fluke infestation that is becoming lethal. Even then you can use FW dips for relief until copper is complete. Prazi+Copper can also result in nasty bacterial blooms further reducing the available oxygen in the aquarium causing major issues.

 

[Hallowhead]

I don't really use cupramine much anymore. I use chelated copper and I feed medicated food during copper all the time without issue. I would not combine general cure with copper unless its an emergency (if you are talking about dosing the water, adding it to food with focus is fine during copper) I would wait until copper treatment is complete and the water is copper free, then move on to using GC or prazipro.

Praziquantel is very hard on the available oxygen in the aquarium so with the reduction of oxygen plus the immune system suppression from copper I would advise against it unless you have a fluke infestation that is becoming lethal. Even then you can use FW dips for relief until copper is complete. Prazi+Copper can also result in nasty bacterial blooms further reducing the available oxygen in the aquarium causing major issues.

Thank you for the information. In my mind if I do lose a fish my thought is, at least I am trying and learning how to prevent other fish from dying. I feel bad when fish die, but unless I learn the proper methods to save fish I will keep losing them.

Is it reef safe to administer metroplex & focus soaked food to my DT? Or should I scoop my fish out? I imagine that if one of my clowns has a parasite all my fish most likely have it?

 

[HotRocks]

Thank you for the information. In my mind if I do lose a fish my thought is, at least I am trying and learning how to prevent other fish from dying. I feel bad when fish die, but unless I learn the proper methods to save fish I will keep losing them.

Is it reef safe to administer metroplex & focus soaked food to my DT? Or should I scoop my fish out? I imagine that if one of my clowns has a parasite all my fish most likely have it?

You are welcome. There is certainly a learning curve with QT.

Metro+focus mixed into food is considered reef safe. I would use caution and keep a close eye on things. I would also run carbon during the use so if any medication dose leach from the food it's quickly removed.

Also if inverts consume the medicated food it can reportedly be problematic, I've never had any issues personally.

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

I don't really use cupramine much anymore. I use chelated copper and I feed medicated food during copper all the time without issue. I would not combine general cure with copper unless its an emergency (if you are talking about dosing the water, adding it to food with focus is fine during copper) I would wait until copper treatment is complete and the water is copper free, then move on to using GC or prazipro.

Praziquantel is very hard on the available oxygen in the aquarium so with the reduction of oxygen plus the immune system suppression from copper I would advise against it unless you have a fluke infestation that is becoming lethal. Even then you can use FW dips for relief until copper is complete. Prazi+Copper can also result in nasty bacterial blooms further reducing the available oxygen in the aquarium causing major issues.

Is copper power also ok?

 

[Hallowhead]

You are welcome. There is certainly a learning curve with QT.

Metro+focus mixed into food is considered reef safe. I would use caution and keep a close eye on things. I would also run carbon during the use so if any medication dose leach from the food it's quickly removed.

Also if inverts consume the medicated food it can reportedly be problematic, I've never had any issues personally.

I don't have any carbon so I will probably try to catch the fish and put them into my quarantine tank. Also don't wanna lose any inverts.

 

[HotRocks]

Is copper power also ok?

Copper power is chelated copper, and it's what I use :)

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

I don't have any carbon so I will probably try to catch the fish and put them into my quarantine tank. Also don't wanna lose any inverts.

I'd recommend getting a carbon reactor from BRS and their recommended pump. Startup cost is $100. Important if you keep any leathers.

 

[Hallowhead]

I'd recommend getting a carbon reactor from BRS and their recommended pump. Startup cost is $100. Important if you keep any leathers.

I don't keep leathers - if I plan on ever keeping them than maybe I'd look into one.

 

[Hallowhead]

Copper power is chelated copper, and it's what I use :)

I may return my cupramine and get copper power now ahh!

If you have a chance can you please look at my clown fish thread??
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/clown-fish-issues.636417/

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

@HotRocks how do you deal with evaporation while having copper at the therapeutic level? Do you have an ato or do you just manually top it off?

 

[HotRocks]

@HotRocks how do you deal with evaporation while having copper at the therapeutic level? Do you have an ato or do you just manually top it off?

I just manually top off. Copper does not evaporate so I just use FW. Top off every other day or so. I always test when fully topped off to make sure the level is where I want it.

 

[Hallowhead]

I just manually top off. Copper does not evaporate so I just use FW. Top off every other day or so. I always test when fully topped off to make sure the level is where I want it.

Speaking of how often do you do water changes ? I have a ten gallon qt.

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

Speaking of how often do you do water changes ? I have a ten gallon qt.

Do a gallon a week. Just be sure to use 2 different cups, if you do WC out of the same barrel. Don't want tank water going to your DT from the QT.

 

[Hallowhead]

Do a gallon a week. Just be sure to use 2 different cups, if you do WC out of the same barrel. Don't want tank water going to your DT from the QT.

Well I have a waste tank and a fresh tank so we are good !

 

[HotRocks]

Speaking of how often do you do water changes ? I have a ten gallon qt.

Depends on bioload etc. I just keep an eye on the tanks and fish and change them when necessary. A few fish in a 20g may not need changed throughout the two weeks of copper.

When using certain meds like NFG daily WCs are required.

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

Depends on bioload etc. I just keep an eye on the tanks and fish and change them when necessary. A few fish in a 20g may not need changed throughout the two weeks of copper.

When using certain meds like NFG daily WCs are required.

Hey do you think my clownfish could have a prazi/metro resistant case of intestinal worms? I've been giving GC soaked food for 3 weeks and he still has white stringy poop. No other signs of illness. Is there something else I can give him to treat intestinal worms?

 

[Hallowhead]

I don't really use cupramine much anymore. I use chelated copper and I feed medicated food during copper all the time without issue. I would not combine general cure with copper unless its an emergency (if you are talking about dosing the water, adding it to food with focus is fine during copper) I would wait until copper treatment is complete and the water is copper free, then move on to using GC or prazipro.

Praziquantel is very hard on the available oxygen in the aquarium so with the reduction of oxygen plus the immune system suppression from copper I would advise against it unless you have a fluke infestation that is becoming lethal. Even then you can use FW dips for relief until copper is complete. Prazi+Copper can also result in nasty bacterial blooms further reducing the available oxygen in the aquarium causing major issues.

I'm reading the first post and getting a little confused with this response. You say in the post that you put fish into 1.0 copper and feed medicated food mainly GC + focus but here you're saying not to use GC with Cooper? Can you confirm?

Also do you feed medicated food for the 14 days at 1.0 copper or simultaneously feed medicated and raise copper to 2.0?

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

I'm reading the first post and getting a little confused with this response. You say in the post that you put fish into 1.0 copper and feed medicated food mainly GC + focus but here you're saying not to use GC with Cooper? Can you confirm?

Also do you feed medicated food for the 14 days at 1.0 copper or simultaneously feed medicated and raise copper to 2.0?

Can't use GC in the water column with copper.

 

[Hallowhead]

Can't use GC in the water column with copper.

But you can soak food in it ? And feed ?