My Current QT Process

[HotRocks]

I know - and I think I also made a mistake by saying focus instead of 'GC' in one of my posts. Part of the problem with all of these 'trade name' medications - is that it seems to constantly cause confusion - because the active ingredients are not being mentioned. I.e. the issue isnt really using specific to using General Cure with Copper - its using Praziquantel with copper (as @HotRocks said) - and General cure contains Metronidazole and Praziquantel - so - my question related to - is it praziquantel + copper = bad, or Metronidazole + copper= bad, or ONLY Metronidazole + Praziquantel + copper = bad. OR - was there some issue as well with Focus - which contains yet another antibiotic (nitrofurantoin). I dont want to reignite the discussion - only clarify what was unclear to me:)

It actually is even more complicated than that.
Copper + metro = no issue
Copper + GC (which contains both metronidazole and powder praziquantel) = slight risk of bacterial bloom
Copper + Prazipro (Liquid Praziquantel) = high risk for bacterial bloom.

The concentration of prazi in GC is slightly lower than Prazipro. So for whatever reason the liquid version poses a much higher risk for issues in QT when mixed with copper. Used solely there is no issue and I prefer prazipro over GC.

 

[cmcoker]

The concentration of prazi in GC is slightly lower than Prazipro. So for whatever reason the liquid version poses a much higher risk for issues in QT when mixed with copper. Used solely there is no issue and I prefer prazipro over GC.

Bacterial bloom from the Prazipro is a result of the oxybispropanol it is dissolved in. Oxybispropanol is an alcohol, so it is essentially like you are carbon dosing (ie vodka/vinegar dosing)

 

[Hallowhead]

What is 1tbsp of food? Like frozen mysis. Do I defrost them to get that measurement or?

 

[HotRocks]

What is 1tbsp of food? Like frozen mysis. Do I defrost them to get that measurement or?

Yes, defrosted and strain off the suspension liquid then measure out 1tbsp.

 

[Hallowhead]

Yes, defrosted and strain off the suspension liquid then measure out 1tbsp.

Ugh I did it wrong than. I defrosted a full cube of frozen mysis in a tbsp of water. I imagine my food is just not as strong

 

[MnFish1]

Ugh I did it wrong than. I defrosted a full cube of frozen mysis in a tbsp of water. I imagine my food is just not as strong

One problem with using medicated food is that different fish may eat more/less of the food due to speed of eating or hunger. It works 'best' when fish are treated 'singly'- but if monitored certainly is a great way to manage treatment for a group of fish

 

[Hallowhead]

One problem with using medicated food is that different fish may eat more/less of the food due to speed of eating or hunger. It works 'best' when fish are treated 'singly'- but if monitored certainly is a great way to manage treatment for a group of fish

I wanted to feed all of them incase it spread

 

[Jason Roth]

@HotRocks that medicated food mixture in your first post, any fish we shouldn’t use it for? I just picked up a Lubbock wrasse and he has been in QT (copper, furan, metro) from the seller but internal wasn’t treated. So I wanted to do that before putting in DT.

 

[dwest]

@HotRocks that medicated food mixture in your first post, any fish we shouldn’t use it for? I just picked up a Lubbock wrasse and he has been in QT (copper, furan, metro) from the seller but internal wasn’t treated. So I wanted to do that before putting in DT.

I used his medicated food recipe for many similar wrasses.

 

[HotRocks]

@HotRocks that medicated food mixture in your first post, any fish we shouldn’t use it for? I just picked up a Lubbock wrasse and he has been in QT (copper, furan, metro) from the seller but internal wasn’t treated. So I wanted to do that before putting in DT.

I use it for ALL fish, Wrasse are not a problem. :)

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

I use it for ALL fish, Wrasse are not a problem. :)

How do you feel about using kanaplex prophylactically?

 

[MnFish1]

How do you feel about using kanaplex prophylactically?

Here is how science feels:

The aminoglycosides, including gentamicin, neomycin, kanamycin, and amikacin, are very effective against gram-negative bacteria infections when administered by injection. Unfortunately, this group has also been shown to cause kidney damage in fish when administered by this technique.

As a group, these antibiotics are not considered effective when used in oral or bath treatments. A couple of exceptions may be kanamycin and neomycin, both of which may be effective against external infections if used in bath treatments. In addition, kanamycin is also believed to be effective when mixed with feed to treat gastrointestinal bacterial infections (Gilmartin, Camp and Lewis 1976).

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

Here is how science feels:

The aminoglycosides, including gentamicin, neomycin, kanamycin, and amikacin, are very effective against gram-negative bacteria infections when administered by injection. Unfortunately, this group has also been shown to cause kidney damage in fish when administered by this technique.

As a group, these antibiotics are not considered effective when used in oral or bath treatments. A couple of exceptions may be kanamycin and neomycin, both of which may be effective against external infections if used in bath treatments. In addition, kanamycin is also believed to be effective when mixed with feed to treat gastrointestinal bacterial infections (Gilmartin, Camp and Lewis 1976).

So basically kana plex should be used as a food soak, when bacterial infection is suspected?

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

@HotRocks what's a good live food to get tangs and blennies eating?

 

[HotRocks]

@HotRocks what's a good live food to get tangs and blennies eating?

Tangs love live brine. Some will eat blackworms as well. I usually try to have both on hand when I have an inbound batch of fish.

How do you feel about using kanaplex prophylactically?

I really try to avoid the use of any antibiotics during prophylaxis. IME Kanaplex is just a good general antibiotic to have on hand I case an external infection shows up. Wide spectrum and when combined with Furan 2 (nitrofurazone) it's very effective. I don't feed either of them though. Only use in the water column for external infections.

 

[Kasey Grohowski]

Tangs love live brine. Some will eat blackworms as well. I usually try to have both on hand when I have an inbound batch of fish.
I really try to avoid the use of any antibiotics during prophylaxis. IME Kanaplex is just a good general antibiotic to have on hand I case an external infection shows up. Wide spectrum and when combined with Furan 2 (nitrofurazone) it's very effective. I don't feed either of them though. Only use in the water column for external infections.

What medication do you use that contains nitrofurazone?

 

[HotRocks]

What medication do you use that contains nitrofurazone?

Furan-2
Or Spectrogram contains both kanamycin + nitrofurazone.

 

[JCTReefer]

My plan is to follow the steps in Hotrocks original post on this round of fish. Thanks for the post by the way. Nice, detailed and easy to understand. Much like all of Humblefish’s stuff. My plan is to use the same qt tank. Heaters, powerheads, filter will be identical to the first round. All equipment sterile. I’m fully certain I can remove the fish from the tank to a sterile 5 gallon bucket with copper power dosed to 2.0 while I drain the aquarium, let it soak in bleach water for a half hour or so. Rinse it out thoroughly. And either use a hair dryer or air compressor to make sure its thoroughly dry. And then wipe it down with vinegar. Make sure that’s dry. I’ll already have a second batch of Bio Spira seeding the new filter running in a five gallon bucket. In a separate room with the rest of the unused equipment. And I’ll have my brute ready to go with 20 gallons of matched temp and specific gravity of the first rounds parameters.
Just roll it over, pump new water in, throw the equipment on it, and transfer the fish back. So the only thing being reused is the tank itself. I’m not fully confident I could sterilize all the filter components, powerheads and heater, so this is my best option without having to purchase another Tank. I’ll only be out the expense of another aquaclear 50. I figure having a game plan ahead of time I could do this in less than 2 hours. Seems feasible to me anyways. Currently on day 4 of quarantine. Last batch of fishes went through 30 days copper power @ 1.75ppm per Hanna and 2 rounds of GC. I’m thinking this will be easier on this round of fish. Only two small fish I might add. The first round actually did really well with the 30 day copper treatment though. Even the Melanurus Wrasse handled it well. Matter of fact it showed no signs of stress whatsoever. It was a 6 day ramp up though. Im sure that helped a bit. Any reason anyone sees why this plan won’t work??? If the tank is thoroughly dry could anything possibly survive??

EDIT. Went ahead and bought another qt tank for transfer. Decided not to risk it.

 

[Hallowhead]

What do you guys do about uneaten food? I fear it's going to cause nitrate issues. I guess turkey baster?

My orchid Dottyback isn't eating as much as I'd like

 

[Hallowhead]

I think I'm done trying QT

Lost my Dottyback.

Water paramters were all perfect. Copper was slowly coming up. At about 1.25 ppm. Was in the tank about a week barely ate