Nitrates bottoming out

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Hello guys, im currently a month into my reef tank, and on my weekly tests my nitrate levels have steadily been dropping from 6.7 ppm to now 0.5ppm. I believe this is the reason why my frogspawn and hammers haven't been fully extending. My phosphate is 0.03, and my question is how can I safely increase my nitrates without overfeeding my fish? I just fed my corals with reef roids to hopefully bring in more nutrients.
 
I feel there is not enough info in your post offer a suggestion...

Are these 2 frags, or large colonies? I'm skeptical to think 2 frags in a one month old tank is consuming that much nutrients.
Do you test alk? Is it stable?
What size is the tank? How many fish? How often do you feed and what do you feed? What is your filtration? What is your lighting and flow? Can we see a tank pic?
 
Its different than the ammonia that is harmful so it's confusing. The article I linked can explain it better than I can. I've dosed both and coral look better dosing ammonium vs dosing nitrate.
New tank you may want to wait a while before deciding to dose. The tank is going through a lot of changes right now and may stabilize on it's own.
 
Its different than the ammonia that is harmful so it's confusing.
Ammonia (NH₃) and Ammonium (NH₄) always exist in an equilibrium based on mostly pH in water. So regardless of adding ammonia or ammonium you will be "adding both" every time and there is no "safer" or "less harmful" way to do it. When you look at the small amounts being added by Randy's suggestions it becomes apparent why it isn't dangerous to fish or corals though. People often have a wrong idea of how much total ammonia (NH₃ + NH₄) you actually need to reach dangerous ammonia (NH₃) levels in a reef tank.

In our reef tanks with a pH around 8 the equilibrium is very far on the side of ammonium (NH₄), so something like 93% of the total ammonia (NH₃ + NH₄) is ammonium (NH₄) and only 7% is ammonia (NH₃). Theoretically it doesn't even matter if you start bubbling pure ammonia gas into the tank, the equilibrium would ensure 93% of it becomes ammonium as long (as the pH doesn't drop).
Scientific papers often use a different method of measuring ammonia and that's probably why people started to believe small amounts like 0.1ppm or 0.2ppm would already be dangerous, when in fact there still is a lot of headroom until you would cause any detectable damage.

My tank is new, not sure how well it could process ammonia, wouldnt dosing straight nitrate be safer?
You start by adding something like 0.1ppm total ammonia (NH₃ + NH₄) which is completely safe when ammonia is currently undetectable. You do so every x hours and if you see ammonia accumulating (so your test actually starts to detect something), you know there is more than enough nitrogen in your system and you don't even need to dose that much (or anything).
Ammonia is taken up very rapidly and your tests won't detect any ammonia accumulating when the tank is actually "nitrogen starved".

If you had more animals in your tank that would increase nitrate to detectable levels they would also release ammonia so dosing it is not more dangerous than having more animals in the tank as long as you do it in small portions 😊

Oh, and also Mr. Mojo is right, I think we need more info before we can even say if nitrogen depletion is an actual issue in your tank.
 
Ammonia (NH₃) and Ammonium (NH₄) always exist in an equilibrium based on mostly pH in water. So regardless of adding ammonia or ammonium you will be "adding both" every time and there is no "safer" or "less harmful" way to do it. When you look at the small amounts being added by Randy's suggestions it becomes apparent why it isn't dangerous to fish or corals though. People often have a wrong idea of how much total ammonia (NH₃ + NH₄) you actually need to reach dangerous ammonia (NH₃) levels in a reef tank.

In our reef tanks with a pH around 8 the equilibrium is very far on the side of ammonium (NH₄), so something like 93% of the total ammonia (NH₃ + NH₄) is ammonium (NH₄) and only 7% is ammonia (NH₃). Theoretically it doesn't even matter if you start bubbling pure ammonia gas into the tank, the equilibrium would ensure 93% of it becomes ammonium as long (as the pH doesn't drop).
Scientific papers often use a different method of measuring ammonia and that's probably why people started to believe small amounts like 0.1ppm or 0.2ppm would already be dangerous, when in fact there still is a lot of headroom until you would cause any detectable damage.


You start by adding something like 0.1ppm total ammonia (NH₃ + NH₄) which is completely safe when ammonia is currently undetectable. You do so every x hours and if you see ammonia accumulating (so your test actually starts to detect something), you know there is more than enough nitrogen in your system and you don't even need to dose that much (or anything).
Ammonia is taken up very rapidly and your tests won't detect any ammonia accumulating when the tank is actually "nitrogen starved".

If you had more animals in your tank that would increase nitrate to detectable levels they would also release ammonia so dosing it is not more dangerous than having more animals in the tank as long as you do it in small portions 😊

Oh, and also Mr. Mojo is right, I think we need more info before we can even say if nitrogen depletion is an actual issue in your tank.
This is exactly why I did not try explain it. I couldn't if I had to lol. Thanks!
 
This is exactly why I did not try explain it. I couldn't if I had to lol. Thanks!
You kind of have to be into chemistry, and most people don't really need to understand the details, so I get it. 😊
Forwarding OP to Randy's thread was the right thing to do. Very good advice on your part.

I just wanted to give a short summary because the DIY ammonia solution thread only explains part of it, while Randy's actual article on ammonia is really long and goes into far more detail. I personally love that, but for OP, who apparently just started their tank, it might be a bit overwhelming.
 
I feel there is not enough info in your post offer a suggestion...

Are these 2 frags, or large colonies? I'm skeptical to think 2 frags in a one month old tank is consuming that much nutrients.
Do you test alk? Is it stable?
What size is the tank? How many fish? How often do you feed and what do you feed? What is your filtration? What is your lighting and flow? Can we see a tank pic?
They are frags but not tiny, the frogspawn has 3 heads, one hammer is splitting into 4 heads and the other hammer is just 1 head. I have a decent bit of other corals, and I test alk every 2-3 days and ive been getting readings in the 7-8 range and just dosing red sea alk to try and get it closer to 8. I currently have a pair of clowns that are small, and a smaller yellow coris wrasse. My clowns wont eat frozen mysis but my yellow coris will. I feed the clowns BRS pellets and I feed the wrasse frozen mysis and he will eat pellets that fall from the top as well. I try and feed them twice a day but somedays only once with my work schedule. I have a IM fusion pro 40 breeder. I just have the Nuvo roller for filtration I havent set up my skimmer yet (very noisy+dont need it). For flow i have jump gyre 2k on 10-20% random flow, and my stock pump. For lighting I have two primes on like 50% power giving par readings of around 150 on my rockwork to around 70-110 on sandbed. (my tank is only 13 inches tall) Photo taken with an orange filter tank is a bit more blue.
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You kind of have to be into chemistry, and most people don't really need to understand the details, so I get it. 😊
Forwarding OP to Randy's thread was the right thing to do. Very good advice on your part.

I just wanted to give a short summary because the DIY ammonia solution thread only explains part of it, while Randy's actual article on ammonia is really long and goes into far more detail. I personally love that, but for OP, who apparently just started their tank, it might be a bit overwhelming.
I appreciate the input, I will certainly look into if these Nitrates do not come up and I need to dose.
 
Just add another small feeding in your routine. It amazes me how everyone wants to dose this or that when the most simplest solution is already at your disposal.
I just don't want to overfeed my clowns, I had one of them eat too much and swim weird for a few hours already lol, and I don't know if that will be able to raise my nitrates from 0.5 to 5 when the nitrates get consumed quickly
 
I just don't want to overfeed my clowns, I had one of them eat too much and swim weird for a few hours already lol, and I don't know if that will be able to raise my nitrates from 0.5 to 5 when the nitrates get consumed quickly
Adding a small feeding will not overfeed them. You wouldn't believe how much I feed my fish with no issues.Your obviously not feeding the tank enough or you dont have enough livestock in it to equal out the export. Are you running a skimmer? How big is your tank? Can you add a couple more fish? Im not against dosing. I just think there are cheaper and better solutions at times. Like adding a fish for example. Once everything settles and you get the right amount of life producing waste your tank takes care of the rest. No extra stuff to buy and dose.
 
Adding a small feeding will not overfeed them. You wouldn't believe how much I feed my fish with no issues.Your obviously not feeding the tank enough or you dont have enough livestock in it to equal out the export. Are you running a skimmer? How big is your tank? Can you add a couple more fish? Im not against dosing. I just think there are cheaper and better solutions at times. Like adding a fish for example. Once everything settles and you get the right amount of life producing waste your tank takes care of the rest. No extra stuff to buy and dose.
Its 40 gals, i think the algae in my tank might be consuming lots of the nutrients, i am going to try feeding more and test again in 2 days. I just hope I dont end up feeding the algae more. I want to get more fish, but I have to set up my QT tank first my fish right now are healthy so I do not want to get them sick.
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Personally I would suggest to either turn on the skimmer or get some more surface agitation, its rare I see clowns at the water surface like that, makes me wonder if there is enough oxygen in the water.

I feed my fish small amounts 3-4 times per day.

40 breeder is 18" tall, is yours really 13" tall?
Personally I would turn the lighting up, I have AI Prime on a 15 gallon 10" deep tank mostly mushrooms and zoa's, set at 85%, yours being set at 50% is making me wonder.
I also have a 40 breeder, I have 2 gyres at 50% plus the return for an lps/sps tank, I have 150 watts at 100%. I think you have room to turn the lights and flow up. Just me personally thats what I would do to get better results from the corals, nothing to do with increasing nitrates by 5 or 10 points IMO. But again I'm curious about your tank depth, how can your 40 breeder be so different than mine. Good luck
 
Personally I would suggest to either turn on the skimmer or get some more surface agitation, its rare I see clowns at the water surface like that, makes me wonder if there is enough oxygen in the water.

I feed my fish small amounts 3-4 times per day.

40 breeder is 18" tall, is yours really 13" tall?
Personally I would turn the lighting up, I have AI Prime on a 15 gallon 10" deep tank mostly mushrooms and zoa's, set at 85%, yours being set at 50% is making me wonder.
I also have a 40 breeder, I have 2 gyres at 50% plus the return for an lps/sps tank, I have 150 watts at 100%. I think you have room to turn the lights and flow up. Just me personally thats what I would do to get better results from the corals, nothing to do with increasing nitrates by 5 or 10 points IMO. But again I'm curious about your tank depth, how can your 40 breeder be so different than mine. Good luck
the clowns were only there for the photo, I just fed them they were probably still scavenging for floating pellets. My exact tank dimensions are 35.4x19.7x13. Tank is just wide and houses the rear chambers, very curious about your flow, because with my settings, i have some of my corals being whipped around in certain spots, also do your ai prime fans blast when cranked up that high? Mine are a bit more then 50% but my par readings should be adequate for LPS and softcorals (no sps and not planning on it for now)



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Hello guys, im currently a month into my reef tank
A month old tank and concerned about no3??? Can’t believe how the hobby is awash with misinformation…..

For the first year of my reef aquarium no3 barely registered, no dosing was ever required!
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A month old tank and concerned about no3??? Can’t believe how the hobby is awash with misinformation…..

For the first year of my reef aquarium no3 barely registered, no dosing was ever required!
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I mean I am not trying to chase perfection, but 0.5 nitrates is certainly low
 
Its 40 gals, i think the algae in my tank might be consuming lots of the nutrients, i am going to try feeding more and test again in 2 days. I just hope I dont end up feeding the algae more. I want to get more fish, but I have to set up my QT tank first my fish right now are healthy so I do not want to get them sick.
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Add some hermit,emerald,and pithos crabs. Some snails would be a good idea also. That should address the algea. Get it under control first then worry about the nitrate after its addressed.
 

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