Quarantine Questions

Utahsaltnoob · Oct 3, 2019

Hello all,

I bought some fish from live aquaria (Midas blenny, 2 chromis, 1 kole tang). One of the chromis was DOA. The other died 24 hours later and had red discoloring on it body in QT with the others.

My fear is the chromis was sick and now it’s possible on the blenny and tang. The blenny is acting fine and eating. The tang is super shy and hides every time I come in the room so I can’t see if it’s eating.

Should I treat the QT with meds?
I own ruby reef rally an metroplex.

Any advice? Don’t want to risk my DT over this. Attached are the pictures of the chromis.

revco33 · Oct 4, 2019

Dude. Just bought 5 chromes, blenny, Yellow Tang , and dragonet from live aquaria. got it on Tuesday. I lost two chromes, third has red spot. I think it Is Uronema marinum. Tough to eradicate. I don't even want to try. I'm going to call them tomorrow and ask for a refund. I'm going to offer their fish back, but I can't chance moving them into the display. Hopefully I didn't cross contaminate with the net or something or siphoning out the tank. Check out my post. I posted it at 2:10am. I got hundreds of dollars in coral and fish in my tank. I would say cut your loses now and setup a new QT and avoid the chromes. I hate to do it. but it's not our fault. it's live aquaria selling crap fish. they will give you store credit if it's within two weeks. not sure if the fish need to be dead first or not. but we are both in the same boat. lets see how it plays out.

revco33 · Oct 4, 2019

revco33 · Oct 4, 2019

I'm fuming right now. I used a siphon to clean qt. I most likely brought it back to my display because my siphon sits in the overflow. I wish I would have known about the chromis issues. If live aquaria doesn't do anything, ill take my fish to the ocean and let them off. It's only a 10 minute drive for me. Guess I'll just have to roll fishless or chance fish pulling through or dying on me.

Chewbacca · Oct 4, 2019

So much for QUALITY CONTROL in most of the places,If I don’t see the fish first hand up front and can watch them for 1/2 hour to inspect I will not purchase. No more purchases for fish online anymore for me. Good luck gentlemen

dugthefish · Oct 4, 2019

revco33 said:
I'm fuming right now. I used a siphon to clean qt. I most likely brought it back to my display because my siphon sits in the overflow. I wish I would have known about the chromis issues. If live aquaria doesn't do anything, ill take my fish to the ocean and let them off. It's only a 10 minute drive for me. Guess I'll just have to roll fishless or chance fish pulling through or dying on me.

Not much point in quarantining if you use the same equipment as your display. Js.

piranhaman00 · Oct 4, 2019

Dont release fish into the ocean either please.

bluprntguy · Oct 4, 2019

You should treat all the fish in quarantine with metroplex both in the water and via food.

Uronema marinum

Uronema marinum What You Need To Know: * These are the red sores most often seen on chromis damsels; however it can afflict any fish. * Treatment of choice is a 45 minute formalin bath (e.g. Quick Cure), followed by transfer into a new/sterile QT. * Once in QT, it is very important to do...

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Utahsaltnoob · Oct 4, 2019

revco33 said:
I'm fuming right now. I used a siphon to clean qt. I most likely brought it back to my display because my siphon sits in the overflow. I wish I would have known about the chromis issues. If live aquaria doesn't do anything, ill take my fish to the ocean and let them off. It's only a 10 minute drive for me. Guess I'll just have to roll fishless or chance fish pulling through or dying on me.

I’m really hoping I didn’t accidentally cross contaminate my tank. I’ve don’t my best to not bring anything over but I’m still super worried.

Saddens me to think that that a bunch of sick fish are being shipped out.

I am medicating the QT tank currently. The survivors are still acting fine.

Saltyreef · Oct 4, 2019

95% of fish in the hobby are collected healthy and put into diseased holding tanks where they are kept to die or transported to the next holding facility.
Its not pretty business, especially for the fish we care about that are the ones suffering.
All fish, no matter what they look like (unless collected wild and placed directly into a non infected DT) should be treated and observed.
We have a duty and responsibility as life keepers to give it the best shot we can!

I too have had the unfortunate luck of buying chromis that had uronema and placed directly into my display. They died a few days later with big red spots. But i never saw it on another fish i owned before going fallow and started QT everyone.

revco33 · Oct 4, 2019

piranhaman00 said:
Dont release fish into the ocean either please.

I’m not going to do that. They wouldn’t survive in the polluted water off LA.

Utahsaltnoob · Oct 4, 2019

Saltyreef said:
95% of fish in the hobby are collected healthy and put into diseased holding tanks where they are kept to die or transported to the next holding facility.
Its not pretty business, especially for the fish we care about that are the ones suffering.
All fish, no matter what they look like (unless collected wild and placed directly into a non infected DT) should be treated and observed.
We have a duty and responsibility as life keepers to give it the best shot we can!

I too have had the unfortunate luck of buying chromis that had uronema and placed directly into my display. They died a few days later with big red spots. But i never saw it on another fish i owned before going fallow and started QT everyone.

Hopefully the others are ok. I really like the kole tang and Midas blenny!

revco33 · Oct 4, 2019

Utahsaltnoob said:
Hopefully the others are ok. I really like the kole tang and Midas blenny!

So I contacted live aquaria today and sent three photos of my three dead chromis. They are sending my info to the aquarist specialists and they will be sending me directions of what to do to save the other fish. I’ll post it here when I get it. Probably won’t be until Monday. From what I’ve read is that this uronema is present in all tanks. It travels on everything. It’s just certain fish, like the chromis are just more susceptible to it. That being said, the transport and acclimating may have caused stress. My aunt is writing me a script to get CP. I may get it and just dose the whole qt and then move the fish to DT and sterilize the qt. It sucks that the chromis died. But at least it wasn’t the more expensive fish. My YT, blenny and dragonet are doing great though! I’ve also read chromis will fight and kill one another until one is left. My fault for not doing the proper research.

revco33 · Oct 4, 2019

Here it is from live aquaria!

revco33 · Oct 4, 2019

Anyone have a differing opinion?

jreece11 · Oct 4, 2019

Was just talking to my friend that owns an LFS and he won't even carry blue green chromis because of this rampant issue.

I have two in my tank, but wouldn't risk buying them again based on all the recent issues with the red spot/stripe.

Once a fish is in our tanks we can't put it back in the ocean. Ever. You could accidentally release some parasite, pathogen, or disease that can wipe out an ecosystem where there is no native defense to it.

bluprntguy · Oct 4, 2019

revco33 said:
Anyone have a differing opinion?

Since you have reef rally, I’d use that as a bath per the instructions . It contains a minimal amount of formalin.

I would also treat the quarantine with metro for a week. Moving the remaining fish to a new sterilized QT following treatment would be ideal.

Dom · Oct 4, 2019

revco33 said:
Here it is from live aquaria!

Am I understanding this???

You were sold sick fish, and their solution is for you to take on the time and expense of treating them?

It seems they knew there was a problem and sold them anyway.

Why didn't they treat these specimens prior to selling them? Because it's cheaper for them to have you do it.

revco33 · Oct 5, 2019

Dom said:
Am I understanding this???

You were sold sick fish, and their solution is for you to take on the time and expense of treating them?

It seems they knew there was a problem and sold them anyway.

Why didn't they treat these specimens prior to selling them? Because it's cheaper for them to have you do it.

Every time I go to my Local fish stores, the same water runs into all the tanks. So they must have all the parasites and stuff buzzing around everything. Unless, I’m wrong and they run different water in different systems. I wonder if they just treat everything in low doses and hope for the best and hope they sell their stock quick. I’ve read that CP is used in large aquariums. Like large as in you need to buy a ticket to visit the aquarium. That being said... I’ve also read that uronema is present in every tank, it just depends on the species and how weak/strong they are. I’m new to the chromis, but I’ll follow their directions. That way if something goes bad, I have someone to blame. I observed the chromis for a bit and noticed some aggression and nipping. Maybe the open wound allowed the uronema to get in there and work its deadly magic. Maybe those with success have real docile chromis. I don’t know enough. So many opinions floating around the forums as well. I have yet to see a photo of anything other than a chromis with uronema.

Utahsaltnoob · Oct 8, 2019

Dom said:
Am I understanding this???

You were sold sick fish, and their solution is for you to take on the time and expense of treating them?

It seems they knew there was a problem and sold them anyway.

Why didn't they treat these specimens prior to selling them? Because it's cheaper for them to have you do it.

I got the same answer! I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this is ridiculous!

"Here is a dead fish delivered to your door and a dying one, please treat them and if they die we will give you store credit, by the way you must still purchase another $150 dollars to free shipping thank you for giving us your money for sick fish and understanding"