Rant... I hate the direction the hobby has gone

I also don’t understand why (seemingly) everyone needs a scientific experiment to convince them to try something to fix an issue. There are no guarantees either way, sometimes you just have to try it and see. Within common sense of course.
 
I am not trying to be overly negative or elitist. And I certainly could be wrong about some things. But I honestly hate the direction this industry/hobby has gone in the past 6-8 years. I have been in the hobby for over 15 years and I feel like things have degraded considerably...

1. Quality of information. This is by far my biggest complaint! I am so sick and tired of bs fish influencers that come on YouTube and think they know ball. The content is mostly slop and has very little value. I am sure there are good YouTubers, but when i got into this hobby, the best source was a good book. Especially if you are just starting out. I am not aware of any QUALITY books that have been released in the past 5 years(please let me know that I am wrong, I really hope that I am). Most recs I have seen for books still recommend books that are over 10 years old. We have way better technology, it would be nice if someone credible could discuss how to use it.

2. Availability of livestock. We all know the Hawaii closure was a massive blow to the hobby. Other closures like Indo torches, or Fiji liverock have been significant as well but the lack of diversity seems to be increasing. What bothers me though, is that there seems to be a huge lack of cohesion in this industry to fight legislation. In the reptile world, this is a huge part of the hobby and it has faired(mostly) positive. Organizations like PIJAC have luckily done a lot but the average aquarium owner seems to be blissfully unaware or unbothered by possible legal issues. Talk to the bird people about the Wild Bird Conservation Act and see how well things worked out for them. Better yet, read about the proposed Saving Nemo Act...

3. The decline in worthwhile events. Ever since MACNA's dissolution, there have been only a couple remaining events. MACNA was so special since it was the yearly "state of the hobby" if you will. We got to see new product releases, crazy imports, and meet influential figures in the industry. There was also an education component where scientists presented research and we got to hear seminars from credible people. Now, events are numerous and decentralized to extract as much money from the vendors and attendees as possible. Aquashella, is targeted to beginner hobbyists and gives their speaking engagements to Aquarium Influencers that have really no value besides their name recognition(sorry not sorry). That isn't to say that these events don't have a place in the community, I think its good there is a beginner friendly conference people can go to and learn more about the hobby. But an event that is catered towards advanced hobbyists is desperately needed.

4. Named corals, defective products, and general shadiness. Those of us who have been around long enough remember when a coral was the name of its species. Naming a coral some stupid name then selling a quarter inch frag for 80 bucks is ridiculous. I understand why vendors do it. If I had a shop I'd do it too. But it is frustrating nonetheless. Companies like Red Sea that charge astronomical amounts of money for tanks that are known to leak(go find the dozens of threads including mine talking about it) and then seemingly do nothing to resolve the problem is incredibly discouraging. Look at the LiveAquaria debacle. That company use to be the face of the industry. If you wanted online fish that were gonna get there healthy, that was the place. But after corporate buyouts, the company withered away rife with scandals. I am tired of overpriced crap that breaks. I am tired of livestock that arrives half-dead. I am tired of lies and deceit from companies that I have spent THOUSANDS with.


I just had to vent. I hope that our industry shapes up before its too late. I am a young guy in my 20s. I worry greatly about where the hobby will be in 10-20 years if it is around at all. Hopefully we can make things better and begin to actually fix some of the issues that this industry has...
agree with #4 especially, I also hate the "designer" coral names to sell tiny frags for predatory prices.
 
I miss the books. I first got into the hobby reading those books 15-20 years ago. For me when I read a book my brain processed things differently in my head, allowing me to think critically but also to dream and plan without distraction. The videos can be very nicely done, but it’s not the same. The Eye candy video comes and goes, but does not inspire the challenge that the books presented.
 

Curious if you could list some?


Overall I think the hobby is fine, somethings are better from example: I had the first Neptune Aquacontroller in 2000 and it worked, however the new Apex I got last year is a huge improvement. Berghia N. destroyed my aiptasia problem, 10 years ago not sure I remember hearing about them?

I still use Julian Sprung books and some others and the information is still perfectly relevant and outstanding.
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Cycling tanks……..0 nitrates and phosphates……..bleaching rock regularly…………the list goes on and on
 
I hate books. Often they are dated, Science has moved on. They are often just the author's opinion. and often narrow minded.
There is so much more info to find on the internet. What you say about youtubers being often wrong and disinformation on the interwebs and on forums.. I do agree that there is noise but often its better info you'll find in books..
I never did something I shouldnt because I read it on the internet. A little common sense gets you far.
 
I hate books. Often they are dated, Science has moved on. They are often just the author's opinion. and often narrow minded.
There is so much more info to find on the internet. What you say about youtubers being often wrong and disinformation on the interwebs and on forums.. I do agree that there is noise but often its better info you'll find in books..
I never did something I shouldnt because I read it on the internet. A little common sense gets you far.
"Science has moved on"
The fundamental laws of Chemistry and Biology haven't changed and that is the basis of reefing. The biggest problem is not understanding those and trying to force nature with an Apex controller and a Youtube video
 
Cycling tanks……..0 nitrates and phosphates
Not even sure what this means? Tanks don’t cycle? 0 n and p discussions is imo a hobbyist that doesn’t understand reef mechanics or biology and simply parroting of some “new” found “Ross” information that is misunderstood. I would guess even the Egyptians 5000 years ago had some understanding that growth on earth requires some kind of nutrients besides their “gods” will.
 
That is a wonderful observation.

Side note: Remind me to tell the story of "not perfect" with regard to "Aquatic Systems Engineering and how they work" -- when the editor can't check the work of the author and mistakes get published!
@BeanAnimal

I remember the AES catalogue with “tech tips”.
My favorite was:

“How to make a small fortune in Aquaculture? “

START OUT WITH A BIG FORTUNE
 
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"Science has moved on"
The fundamental laws of Chemistry and Biology haven't changed and that is the basis of reefing. The biggest problem is not understanding those and trying to force nature with an Apex controller and a Youtube video
“Trying to force nature with an Apex Controller and a YouTube video” is the core problem.

Arrogance is a core issue and it has proven to be a destructive force in the history of mankind.

I am all about walking hand & hand with Nature. I will quote from the introduction of Reef Fundamentals by Angel Cegarra:

“In this environment, there is a gigantic network of nutrient transfer and recycling which has been consolidated over millions of years and functions with the efficiency superior to the most elaborate humane engineering. All functions are performed by different species and none is indispensable; the abscesses of some provides opportunities for others. The waste products or some or food for others and nothing is wasted. It is a dynamic system with numerous elements of redundancy, which has allowed reefs to survive the five mass extinctions that have occurred on Earth. This complex network underpins the robustness and stability of coral reefs.”
 
The sps section was priceless.
I do miss those days. A new page of posts daily, sometimes hourly. Some incredible SPS displays too. The forums were the new thing and much busier back then.
 
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At the end of the day..its up to each individual to find the knowledge they seek. Whether that be in books or online, its out there to find. As far as stupid prices on frags...agreed...and dont have to buy it. There are plenty of ways to have an awesome tank with a lower budget. I reef for me...everyone else can do it as they wish.
 
For me, the reshuffling at BRS's online media and outright losing Jake Adams were significant hits to online reef instruction.
I entered the SW side of the hobby in 2017 and those channels were instrumental in forming my maintenance habits along with just providing great information. I was fortunate to fly from mid-west Canada and attend MACNA in New Orleans 2017 and met all these fellas and they were so warm and inviting that I came away as an even bigger fan of their work.
Named corals were picking up speed at the time but there were options with plenty of non-branded corals to pick from as well.
However, I knew things were in for trouble when one of our fb group mods who decided she was going to blow everyone's minds and shared she had bought a couple one polyp frags of stratosphere zoas at $900 each. Unfortunately, "you get what you pay for" doesn't apply to animals and they both melted within a week causing her to shut her tanks down right after.
Its always been luxury hobby but it got a little out of control. I'd guess 90% of new starts don't last a year and with inflation affecting all of us it's now a steep ramp to set up a tank.
 
For me, the reshuffling at BRS's online media and outright losing Jake Adams were significant hits to online reef instruction.
I entered the SW side of the hobby in 2017 and those channels were instrumental in forming my maintenance habits along with just providing great information.
Named corals were picking up speed at the time but there were options with plenty of non-branded corals to pick from as well.
However, I knew things were in for trouble when one of our fb group mods who decided she was going to blow everyone's minds and shared she had bought a couple one polyp frags of stratosphere zoas at $900 each. Unfortunately, "you get what you pay for" doesn't apply to animals and they both melted within a week causing her to shut her tanks down right after.
Its always been luxury hobby but it got a little out of control. I'd guess 90% of new starts don't last a year and with inflation affecting all of us it's now a steep ramp to set up a tank.
I think people get excited about wanting a reef tank, so they start to throw money at it, not realizing the amount of work it takes to keep one running. I think that if people had more realistic expectations and didn't buy the most expensive frags they could get their hands on, they wouldn't leave as much.
 
Many flaws, many ways to learn, many many many!

BUT I am thankful that you all choose R2R as one of the places you talk reef tanks!! 😘
 
I think people get excited about wanting a reef tank, so they start to throw money at it, not realizing the amount of work it takes to keep one running. I think that if people had more realistic expectations and didn't buy the most expensive frags they could get their hands on, they wouldn't leave as much.
agreed... I was guilty of it too but not to the mortgage priced corals extent.
At that same Macna the bounce mushroom was the "it" coral and being very few were in Canada, the fella I went with owned our LFS and decided he wanted to bring a couple home. He paid close to 3 grand for them and of course we got flagged at security and I could hear the customs agent in next cubicle telling him they had full right to flush them. Fortunately they chilled out, understood they were legal and let him walk.
 
I think people get excited about wanting a reef tank, so they start to throw money at it, not realizing the amount of work it takes to keep one running. I think that if people had more realistic expectations and didn't buy the most expensive frags they could get their hands on, they wouldn't leave as much.
I can't help but wonder how many get sucked into that mindset because there's are so many videos that lead them to think that? Im not into video learning or even watching them much so this is just speculation on my part having seen a few unbelievable tanks pimping a product. I think the last time i went to YouTube to actually learn something was when I was putting a trigger kit in a handgun and my pieces went flying and being the idiot I am I couldn't figure out how to get everything reassembled. Still images and text are my thing but that is a mindset that is fading fast I think.
 
agree with #4 especially, I also hate the "designer" coral names to sell tiny frags for predatory prices.
I agree 100%...back when I started in this hobby..circa 1997 there was NO SUCH THING as "Hallie Berry" this, and "ny knicks" that. They were torches and zoas....That's it. Now...a few big companies that do most of the importing and coral farming seem to have caught on that you can sell "Levi's" for "Z Cavaricci" prices just by slapping a new name on them and call them "Designer". It just drives me nuts.
 
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I also don’t understand why (seemingly) everyone needs a scientific experiment to convince them to try something to fix an issue. There are no guarantees either way, sometimes you just have to try it and see. Within common sense of course.
When a fix can cost dozen to hundreds of dollars to implement and thousands of dollars and the emotions for dear pets if it goes wrong, "just try it and see" isn't very feasible. Not everyone has spare tanks and the time to do their own experiments.

And in the high end realm, every experiment even if it doesn't kill anything can ruin months of your work by making corals brown.
 
I can't help but wonder how many get sucked into that mindset because there's are so many videos that lead them to think that? Im not into video learning or even watching them much so this is just speculation on my part having seen a few unbelievable tanks pimping a product. I think the last time i went to YouTube to actually learn something was when I was putting a trigger kit in a handgun and my pieces went flying and being the idiot I am I couldn't figure out how to get everything reassembled. Still images and text are my thing but that is a mindset that is fading fast I think.
Maybe not so much for reefing, but for me, I got sucked into retro video game collecting because I saw people do it on YouTube and thought, "Yeah, I could do that."
 
I can't help but wonder how many get sucked into that mindset because there's are so many videos that lead them to think that? Im not into video learning or even watching them much so this is just speculation on my part having seen a few unbelievable tanks pimping a product. I think the last time i went to YouTube to actually learn something was when I was putting a trigger kit in a handgun and my pieces went flying and being the idiot I am I couldn't figure out how to get everything reassembled. Still images and text are my thing but that is a mindset that is fading fast I think.
Maybe not so much for reefing, but for me, I got sucked into retro video game collecting because I saw people do it on YouTube and thought, "Yeah, I could do that."
Oof I feel that, I just recently accidentally re-ignited my Pokemon card addiction after 20+ years of sobriety 😂
 

IF YOU HAD TO OPERATE EVERYTHING ELSE MANUALLY, WHICH AUTOMATED SYSTEM WOULD YOU KEEP?

  • Auto top-off

    Votes: 38 58.5%
  • Automated dosing

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Mechanical filtration / roller filter

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Automated water testing

    Votes: 3 4.6%
  • Automatic feeding

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lighting schedule

    Votes: 9 13.8%
  • Controller and remote monitoring

    Votes: 3 4.6%
  • Leak detection and emergency shutoff

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Automatic water changes

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • None. I prefer to operate everything manually

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Something else (explain in the comments)

    Votes: 1 1.5%
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