Red Sea failure question

[buruskeee]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/red-sea-max-s-1000-g2-seam-concern.1086430/#post-13115061

Yup, top area which doesn’t see water and is not a common type of seam failure and seems to have that bubble like that straight from shipping (since they filled the tank for the first time just days ago). The new G2 tanks will have just about as frequent failures as any other brand. I can post a link to a waterbox, CADE, IM, etc that has had a leak - no tank is invincible to leaking.

Claiming the G2 is wide spread is just conjecture.

 

[VintageReefer]

Yup, top area which doesn’t see water and is not a common type of seam failure and seems to have that bubble like that straight from shipping (since they filled the tank for the first time just days ago). The new G2 tanks will have just about as frequent failures as any other brand. I can post a link to a waterbox, CADE, IM, etc that has had a leak - no tank is invincible to leaking.

Claiming the G2 is wide spread is just conjecture.

How are you justifying this? Tank was shipped and in owners possession unused for almost a year. Filled with water and after a few days developed a massive bubble in the seam. And after the history of Red Sea silicon failures, we should chalk this up as a shipping fluke and pretend the new tanks are fine? This is the S series with eurobrace, that seam shouldn’t have failed and there is no excuse

The newer tanks do have a lower rate of failure than g1 but they still have failures

 

[VintageReefer]

Yup, top area which doesn’t see water and is not a common type of seam failure and seems to have that bubble like that straight from shipping (since they filled the tank for the first time just days ago). The new G2 tanks will have just about as frequent failures as any other brand. I can post a link to a waterbox, CADE, IM, etc that has had a leak - no tank is invincible to leaking.

Claiming the G2 is wide spread is just conjecture.

https://www.meerwasserforum.info/fo...sea-beckenwechsel-qualitätsprobleme/?pageNo=2
So they are talking in this forum about the silicone being the problem. They say that red sea is using a 2k silicone that is fast curing, hence you have a faster production. They also talk about other companies using 1k silicone that forms an acetic net. But that takes 1day per mm to dry, so a tank with 15 mm glass takes 14 days before it can be moved.
They compare the big all in one producers like red sea, waterbox, aqueon, etc. that have only 2/3 years warranty to smaller german companies like brilliant, diamant that have 10 to 15 years warranty on leaking. And the difference is the silicone used.
They also mention there must be contributing factors for red sea tanks leaking much more often than tanks of the other big manufacturers.
By the way they claim that it affects G2 tanks as well.

 

[buruskeee]

How are you justifying this? Tank was shipped and in owners possession unused for almost a year. Filled with water and after a few days developed a massive bubble in the seam. And after the history of Red Sea silicon failures, we should chalk this up as a shipping fluke and pretend the new tanks are fine? This is the S series with eurobrace, that seam shouldn’t have failed and there is no excuse

The newer tanks do have a lower rate of failure than g1 but they still have failures

I’m not justifying it, just like I don’t justify it when it’s a different manufacture. That was shipped with manufacture defects. Black silicone is known to hide imperfections better than clear silicone - it’s why CADE still uses clear.

My point still stands - the G2 fails at no worse rate than *insert your favorite retail tank brand” here. Yet, it seems you’re trying to broadcast that the G2 is still a tank that will fail just from pure conjecture.

I’m no Red Sea fan - their drain system is the worst out there, and for that reason alone I would not recommend it over other tanks, period. But to claim the G2 is still a bad tank is pure disinformation. You can have distaste for a company while still being accurate when you talk about them - that’s all I was saying.

Do you believe that post that a “local builder is fixing all the G2 issues”? Like, how is that believable when you can just warranty them out in a few clicks of a button?

 

[ReefED!]

https://www.meerwasserforum.info/fo...sea-beckenwechsel-qualitätsprobleme/?pageNo=2
So they are talking in this forum about the silicone being the problem. They say that red sea is using a 2k silicone that is fast curing, hence you have a faster production. They also talk about other companies using 1k silicone that forms an acetic net. But that takes 1day per mm to dry, so a tank with 15 mm glass takes 14 days before it can be moved.
They compare the big all in one producers like red sea, waterbox, aqueon, etc. that have only 2/3 years warranty to smaller german companies like brilliant, diamant that have 10 to 15 years warranty on leaking. And the difference is the silicone used.
They also mention there must be contributing factors for red sea tanks leaking much more often than tanks of the other big manufacturers.
By the way they claim that it affects G2 tanks as well.

This is very interesting

It’s hard to sift through the noise on things like this

And of course the real problem is that a tank seam failure is about as catastrophic as you can get - any other hobby with a bad piece of equipment is some annoyance and a replacement

I hope this gets sorted out

 

[VintageReefer]

I’m not justifying it, just like I don’t justify it when it’s a different manufacture. That was shipped with manufacture defects. Black silicone is known to hide imperfections better than clear silicone - it’s why CADE still uses clear.

My point still stands - the G2 fails at no worse rate than *insert your favorite retail tank brand” here. Yet, it seems you’re trying to broadcast that the G2 is still a tank that will fail just from pure conjecture.

I’m no Red Sea fan - their drain system is the worst out there, and for that reason alone I would not recommend it over other tanks, period. But to claim the G2 is still a bad tank is pure disinformation. You can have distaste for a company while still being accurate when you talk about them - that’s all I was saying.

Do you believe that post that a “local builder is fixing all the G2 issues”? Like, how is that believable when you can just warranty them out in a few clicks of a button?

I personally always acknowledge that the g2 has a lower failure rate than g1, but also that failures are still reported.

The dislike for red sea comes from a known flaw in the g1 design, that they do not publicly address, and that they take little responsibility for when confronted by owners with leaks. I have read of some people who saw signs of upcoming dispute and Red Sea did offer help, and other times they told them to monitor it, and then when an issue happened out of warranty they only offered a few hundred off a new multi thousand dollar setup.

They sold tons of tanks that are ticking time bombs, and are not being proactive about it, which to me shows they do not care about their customers.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/red-sea-g2-seam-fail.1078050/

 

[buruskeee]

This is very interesting

It’s hard to sift through the noise on things like this

And of course the real problem is that a tank seam failure is about as catastrophic as you can get - any other hobby with a bad piece of equipment is some annoyance and a replacement

I hope this gets sorted out

I’ve read as much as I could tolerate with the mediocre Google translation of the German. It seems they’re saying almost all the manufacturers using black silicone is a good bet it’s the 2K silicone because of how much quicker they set compared to 14 days of the traditional clear silicone.

But it seems they’re all guessing as no one lists what silicone material they’re using.

Even though CADE uses the traditional high quality clear silicone, I’ve seen a fair share of leak threads on those too. Any tank I’m buying that’s 4ft or longer will always be eurobraced - it’s just too much peace of mind not to have it.

 

[buruskeee]

I personally always acknowledge that the g2 has a lower failure rate than g1, but also that failures are still reported.

The dislike for red sea comes from a known flaw in the g1 design, that they do not publicly address, and that they take little responsibility for when confronted by owners with leaks. I have read of some people who saw signs of upcoming dispute and Red Sea did offer help, and other times they told them to monitor it, and then when an issue happened out of warranty they only offered a few hundred off a new multi thousand dollar setup.

They sold tons of tanks that are ticking time bombs, and are not being proactive about it, which to me shows they do not care about their customers.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/red-sea-g2-seam-fail.1078050/

I’ve seen that thread, including the other thread you quoted in that thread too. Those are both G1 V3 that the poster incorrectly tries to pass off for a G2 in both threads. They didn’t make the G2 until 2023 and barely announced it summer 2022.

This is the first ever video of a G2.

 

[VintageReefer]

I’ve seen that thread, including the other thread you quoted in that thread too. Those are both G1 V3 that the poster incorrectly tries to pass off for a G2 in both threads. They didn’t make the G2 until 2023 and barely announced it summer 2022.

This is the first ever video of a G2.

My mistake, I read elsewhere the g2 came out earlier.

 

[buruskeee]

My mistake, I read elsewhere the g2 came out earlier.

No worries. You’re not wrong that there are a couple G2 posts that can be dug up somewhere if someone looks hard enough, it’s just they’re the typical ones we see from every manufacturer - not the inevitable front panel bottom seam failure that plagues the G1 that Red Sea refuses to admit.

 

[Coral Your World]

Looking at adding a tank to the collection. Looking at a used red sea 200xl. I've seen a lot of stuff about red Sea failures and I'm wondering if it's all of them or certain models ?

Don’t do it unless you want the Red Sea on your living room floor

 

[feelingfishy]

I’m very curious about a CADE leak thread. I seen 2 broken sumps from delivery that leaks, but I have never seen a DT leak. Please link

 

[Borat]

Looking at adding a tank to the collection. Looking at a used red sea 200xl. I've seen a lot of stuff about red Sea failures and I'm wondering if it's all of them or certain models ?

The smaller tanks are less likely to fail (200xl is kind of small). The older tanks are more likely to fail (due to age/deterioration of seam).

No manufacturer produces failure-free tanks.

 

[brandon429]

The public knows anyone who downplays the risk to readers is either a red sea owner, self-soothing a legit concern they can't back out of now, or they make assurances they have absolutely no idea about=salesmen who will say anything for a sale


Nobody buys it anymore. Soon the brand will lose 100% buyer credibility, and that's deserved.

 

[Borat]

The public knows anyone who downplays the risk to readers is either a red sea owner, self-soothing a legit concern they can't back out of now, or they make assurances they have absolutely no idea about=salesmen who will say anything for a sale


Nobody buys it anymore. Soon the brand will lose 100% buyer credibility, and that's deserved.

my tank has been running for 6 years now - no problems whatsoever

 

[VintageReefer]

my tank has been running for 6 years now - no problems whatsoever

You have luck of the gypsy…I must have this luck..

Give me your tears Gypsy, or I will take them from you!

 

[brandon429]

Red sea has lost all credibility. The thing we do now is watch all the podcasts, blogs and magazines try and pretend like it's not happening-> watch them defend ad revenue at all costs, then jibe them publicly for doing do. At least that's what I do for fun

Degree of people that will be surprised at the next seam split post: 0%. Even those who will defend without logic aren't surprised, we're conditioned.

Red sea aquariums are the joke of reefing quality.

 

[ReefED!]

I’ve seen that thread, including the other thread you quoted in that thread too. Those are both G1 V3 that the poster incorrectly tries to pass off for a G2 in both threads. They didn’t make the G2 until 2023 and barely announced it summer 2022.

This is the first ever video of a G2.

I ruled out a Red Sea due to size/sump/space issues , but when I was doing a lot of research I also found it hard to sift through the supposed G2 failures that were actually G1

Of course that isn’t saying much is it?

“Your replacement tank that is also failing was a G1 ackshually also a G1” - little comfort to people dealing with a tank failure

 

[brandon429]

I don't deny the posted data skews that way, it does

What is it intrinsically that makes people want to reward a company like this? You can see how badly the g1 owners got treated: few mos after warranty of 5 big awesome years they had to pay up, to get swapped out

Why would you buy a g8 from them, guaranteed not to leak bc it's all one pane formed glass with no seams etc

Why reward stinkers, shafty shifty leak makers

Where did trust in the brand grow during this mess underway for years to come (the leak posts will never stop)

 

[brandon429]

The problem wasn't the bad production run

It's how they secreted, deleted media posts, tried to quash what all those friends had lost when their bad design gave way. Charged those barely out of warranty, sending 3x broken tanks in a row (drop shippers you can tell) how many more scum moves need to be outlined

They did not preemptively warn registered buyers once the trend became real. They left those owners hanging, for us to inform them after the fact.

Red sea 2006 would have never done this. Though I don't follow them it's obvious they've sold to someone with much lower standards ethically.