As the OP hasn't been back since posting this thread I think further speculations are pointless.
Those deadly magical parasites....
Those deadly magical parasites....
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Heh. I’m proud of me too.really? he started QT recently, so I'm proud of him. Nice delayed couch umpiring though
I had chatted several times with Miami reef, he's a resourceful strong reefer and able to self assess based on relayed patterns. You may disagree, but then again offering no content that's useful is the other end of the behavioral spectrum. If you had something to offer regarding disease control likelihood, options, outcomes youve seen in thread patterns I'd enjoy reading it.
I usually start with a history before my working diagnosis and differentials, and if you already have the complex diagnosis you likely would have had to work through your differential list alreadyIn medicine when we are confronted with a complex diagnosis with multiple possibilities, we start with a differential list of possible causes then start ruling things out. It helps to be methodical. So what kills fish? (just brainstorming here and some are already unlikely given what was presented). Add more ideas if you think of them then start crossing out what you can
1. Ammonia
2. Nitrite
3. Pathogens (velvet would be the suspicious one do to the speed)
4. Hypoxia ( had an old jbj cube with the easily detachable surface skimmer that was knocked off one night by an urchin, the lack of surface movement caused enough hypoxia to kill a few fish by morning). Plus anyone who has gone through a long blackout knows how the fish suffer and also how they respond to tank cpr (scoop water and dump back in over and over until fish perk up or power returns)
5. Rapid pH swings
6. Rapid temperature swings
7 rapid salinity changes
8 organic toxins (puffer, cucumbers, sea apples, dinoflagellates)
9. Inorganic toxins: bleach, heavy metals, etc
10. Predation
11. Stray voltage
Some of these can (or were already ruled out) with basic testing
See if the surviving fish has evidence of infection.
Do an inventory of inverts to see if any could be toxic to fish. Include soft corals that might be stressed (lobophytum, sarcophyton, cladiella , some sinularia can be pretty toxic to fish).
Consider if you could have had a spawning event that put a sudden influx of organic and potentially toxic material in the tank. I had green star polyps spawn in the past. The red eggs went into the overflow and started breaking down in the filter sponge. Fish didn’t mind but snails started keeling over pretty quick. Sluggish ones survived when I siphoned out all the eggs and cleaned the sponge. Also have had mass synchronized bristleworm spawns in past that really clouded up the tank. Stomatella as well but not as severe
Send water for advanced testing for toxins, heavy metals. I use ATI. Several other brands just as reliable I would think
At the least , do big water change and run fresh carbon
hope this helps, and sorry about losing the fish. Really painful when that happens
Always hits different when a yellow tang dies for some reasonHello. I came back from a 2 day leave and all my fish were randomly dead except for my one chromi. All my corals are opened and reacting normally. I did not notice any signs of disease nor were the fish acting any differently when I last saw them. I am very confused and do not know what could have killed them. Puffer fish was last to die but is it a possibility that it released its neurotoxin. Additionally, all of my inverts are alive and well. I appreciate any input. Here is the picture of my dead fish.
Tank specs:
1.5 year old
Red Sea Reefer 425 XL
Filtration: Red Sea Skimmer (oversized), mechanical filtration, carbon
Just ignore him like a lot of us have. Not worth the headache.If he chose to start QT, I doubt it was due to your attacking attitude. As far as “delayed couch umpiring” goes, I’m a new reefer trying to learn more by reviewing threads. Information is available in stickies, but current issues and resolutions are found in the threads.
There were actual helpful posts earlier in this thread from a few people, so read those to learn about the contrasts. They are quite evident.
As I’m just learning, I have no constructive advice on disease control. I do recognize non constructive advice though.
Even grumpy old men have compassion and provide advice without attacking the person asking.
He makes good points about QT but berating people isnt the way to illicit meaningful change.Just ignore him like a lot of us have. Not worth the headache.
Absolutely. That and listening - actually listening, or in this case, reading what others actually write is also important.He makes good points about QT but berating people isnt the way to illicit meaningful change.
If i just yelled at my patients and purposely made them feel stupid just to prove a point and stroke my ego when they come in with health issues, (even though many of which are direct sequela from a lifetime of abusing their body or modifiable risk factors which they chose to ignore) A) I would have zero patients and no job and B) the most important thing is that they will automatically go on the defensive and will not produce the desired “change”. They will likely walk out of my office resentful and tell everyone what a horrible pcp I am even though what I said is correct and has truth. If they feel their sense of self is being attacked, they will put up a wall and will not heed any of the information you are trying to convey to take charge of their issue.
Brandon means well but he is an ineffectual communicator.
provide people the facts, guide them and help them understand. Don’t diminish them as a human being just because you may know more on the given subject than they do. If he did this I think he would actually be of some help and be able to guide a lot of newer reefers with better results.
Sympathy is certainly never a requirement, and each person has a right to express their own viewpoints. I am also a fairly direct person and diplomacy is difficult at times when I feel I’m stating the obvious. Yet stating something directly does not mean it has to be demeaning to the other person. Several of his comments were more demeaning than direct in nature. I’m just here trying to learn, and certainly didn’t mean to start anything. I did not, however appreciate his bringing up a post of mine and saying I hadn’t learned anything in my reading because I hadn’t QT’d my fish, when in fact I was in the process of that with my 10 gallon tank when I posted. I asked a question about parameters, and I certainly didn’t feel the need to explain the purpose of my 10 gallon stocked with 1” fish. I don’t know why, but it seems from reading several of his responses that Brandon makes inaccurate assumptions about what people are doing (or not doing), and forms his comments based on those assumptions. He can be whomever he wishes to be, but he needs to keep his incorrect assumptions to himself. And try to be helpful in the thread, not demeaning towards others.
I had to google this. Very sorry for the OP’s loss.