The Wrasse Lover's Thread!

It’s a lot to do with the lining around the pectoral fins as well as the dorsum saddles. A Pacific Variant will have a red outline on the pectoral fins and they also have few red markings covering their face which makes their blue markings much more obvious. The Indian variants have an incomplete lateral line marking which is limited to the caudal area whilst Pacific variants have the completed lateral line marking.
So a bit more nuanced then to just compare which shade of pink is closest in this picture? :face-with-tears-of-joy:
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So a bit more nuanced then to just compare which shade of pink is closest in this picture? :face-with-tears-of-joy:
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Yours is most likely an African variant than it is the others :)
 
I find this fascinating - years of keeping freshwater fish (and breeding some) made me feel like fish were so easy to sex. Then I discover marine fish, not so easy! Like, I can get paired clownfish by their behavior... but my yellow tang for instance? I just refer to it as "she" for no actual obvious reason, other than I got tired of all my fish having male names and wanted to switch it up, lol. Males of any species typically being more brightly colored helps a little... but it really takes an educated eye for sure, and still isn't always the case! Seems like there are much clearer size and fin shape differences, etc for sexing freshwater fish.
They truly are hard to sex fish!
I love the Wrasses for their ease of care but also you can actually tell males from females in most of the genera (although sexing Pseudocheilinops is proving a nightmare, I do believe I’ve seen a difference from male to female when they show off to eachother and males gain a white striping pattern).
 
They truly are hard to sex fish!
I love the Wrasses for their ease of care but also you can actually tell males from females in most of the genera (although sexing Pseudocheilinops is proving a nightmare, I do believe I’ve seen a difference from male to female when they show off to eachother and males gain a white striping pattern).
Well if you'd like to confirm for me sometime if I have a male or female melanurus, I'll try to get some decent pics. My hunch is male, but the extent of that guess is just from googling what I saw called a mature "super male" on some sites, lol.

You have a lot of wrasses together - can I pick your brain about something I've been wondering about? I'm assuming being male would only pose any problem if I added another melanurus that was also male, or transitioned to male? (Wouldn't do that, just curious). If I were to try adding another halichoeres, say a radiant or a yellow coris wrasse, would the melanurus tend to see them as enemies in the absence of a female? The mel doesn't seem to even attempt to go after the big bristleworms... wishing I could find a wrasse that would, that would coexist peacefully with the mel and is ok in a 4' 75 gallon tank. Starting to realize there may not be many things that will actually try to eat big fireworms (the consensus here is whatever they are, the ones I have are not the good worms and I agree). Not a fan of crabs, so was really hoping to find a utilitarian fish for the job!
Lastly for now, would a tamarin wrasse be typically compatible with the melanurus? And if I were to consider a flasher or fairy wrasse instead, will they only display toward other males of their type, or would they also show off to the male melanurus?
Lots of questions I know, sorry!
 
Well if you'd like to confirm for me sometime if I have a male or female melanurus, I'll try to get some decent pics. My hunch is male, but the extent of that guess is just from googling what I saw called a mature "super male" on some sites, lol.

You have a lot of wrasses together - can I pick your brain about something I've been wondering about? I'm assuming being male would only pose any problem if I added another melanurus that was also male, or transitioned to male? (Wouldn't do that, just curious). If I were to try adding another halichoeres, say a radiant or a yellow coris wrasse, would the melanurus tend to see them as enemies in the absence of a female? The mel doesn't seem to even attempt to go after the big bristleworms... wishing I could find a wrasse that would, that would coexist peacefully with the mel and is ok in a 4' 75 gallon tank. Starting to realize there may not be many things that will actually try to eat big fireworms (the consensus here is whatever they are, the ones I have are not the good worms and I agree). Not a fan of crabs, so was really hoping to find a utilitarian fish for the job!
Lastly for now, would a tamarin wrasse be typically compatible with the melanurus? And if I were to consider a flasher or fairy wrasse instead, will they only display toward other males of their type, or would they also show off to the male melanurus?
Lots of questions I know, sorry!
I would love to see photos of your Mel and help you sex it! Generally, males are much more green whilst females are more on the blue side with yellow/orange striping (I saw one stunning male melanurus and I would love one but my iridis probably wouldn’t).

Of course you can pick my brain out and feel free to ask questions! I love helping people (as I’m sure anyone does) and one thing I tend to tell others is;
Why have knowledge but never share it?

Male Wrasses only really care about males of the same or similar (often called ‘sister’) species. If we talk about a Melanurus then these may not like males of Halichoeres vroliki or Halichoeres chrysotaenia.

Adding other Halichoeres links to what I said above about the Melanurus, these guys don’t seem to care about males of other species that are totally different however females/juveniles are preferred for both our sake but also the fish’s liking. So adding something like Halichoeres iridis or Halichoeres leucoxanthus to an established Halichoeres melanurus shouldn’t be too much of an issue. Obviously with every introduction you have some sort of aggression however this is expected since it is forming a Hierarchy and showing who is the big boss of the tank and who is the big boss of the group of fish (in this case, the big boss of the wrasses).

This one is controversial however my best fish for invert eating is my iridis. Now, I say it’s controversial as some have bad luck with iridis and eating pests however others have good luck. Halichoeres chrysus and Halichoeres leucoxanthus are both good for pest hunting. I would personally go the route of Leucoxanthus as they’re in my opinion the nicer of those two sister species.

A Tamarin would work with a Melanurus however you will need to use an acclimation box as these are more sensitive than the Halichoeres. I don’t use acclimation boxes with any of my fish but if I had a brand new Anampses, I most likely would use an acclimation box. I know the way I do it is highly unrecommended however I have yet to fail introducing any fish without an acclimation box in my time in this hobby (10+ years).

Now, the Flasher and Fairy Wrasses are odd ones. I assume by ‘type’ you mean they will only display to others in their genus or the other genus (Cirrhilabrus/Paracheilinus). I had a flasher (unfortunately he decided to leg it when I added my newest fish) and although their name is literally ‘flasher wrasse’ mine rarely displayed. My lubbocki’s may as well be flasher wrasses because of how much they show off (it’s a daily occurrence). Cirrhilabrus species will display however they need a reason a lot of the time. This is why Paracheilinus can be a good pairing with Cirrhilabrus. Cirrhilabrus species display to other Cirrhilabrus species that are close in the hierarchy to show off whose boss IME. They also tend to display to other species with similar body shapes and patterns/colours to them, possibly due to them looking incredibly similar.
 
Soooo excited! This guy is done with a full QT (done by Adam at Ocean Devotion) and coming home next week!

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I’m crushed.

Got this guy yesterday. Shipment took well less than 24 hours to get to my home. Box and bag in great condition. But, he was pretty stressed from the trip.

Salinity in his bag water was identical to my tank so I floated the bag to equalize temperature and then placed him in an acclimation box (with a pvc pipe for hiding) in my DT. He perked up a little, even swam a bit, but then slowly declined. Found him dead this morning :(
 
I’m crushed.

Got this guy yesterday. Shipment took well less than 24 hours to get to my home. Box and bag in great condition. But, he was pretty stressed from the trip.

Salinity in his bag water was identical to my tank so I floated the bag to equalize temperature and then placed him in an acclimation box (with a pvc pipe for hiding) in my DT. He perked up a little, even swam a bit, but then slowly declined. Found him dead this morning :(
Sorry for your loss - it isn’t your fault, instead this is likely something to do with the fish itself.

All Cirrhilabrus wrasses get a good wrap for shipping but IME, Rhomboidalis is just one of those wrasses that rarely does well when shipping.
 
Sorry for your loss - it isn’t your fault, instead this is likely something to do with the fish itself.

All Cirrhilabrus wrasses get a good wrap for shipping but IME, Rhomboidalis is just one of those wrasses that rarely does well when shipping.
Thanks for the kind words. I do tend to beat myself up when I lose a fish or coral.

I reallllly want one these guys…but now I’m scared to try again
 
Male vs Females of Cirrhilabrus auranridorsalis can be hard to identify in comparison to other Cirrhilabrus species. A photo of yours (if possible) will be better to help us :)

actually have a decent shot of it, taken about 3 weeks ago.
 

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actually have a decent shot of it, taken about 3 weeks ago.
That is a male for sure!
He’s stunning. That bar of orange is a big teller from what I’ve seen - females don’t seem to have the orange bar.
 
That is a male for sure!
He’s stunning. That bar of orange is a big teller from what I’ve seen - females don’t seem to have the orange bar.
awesome, thanks! i had a feeling based on the pect fins as those definitely grew since i got him. Thinking back, my now missing bathyphilus seemed to be very slowly losing weight (was def female)...they did have some occasional chasing but no major bullying i ever saw. Been in the tank together for at least 3 months, and of course it was the first fish my wife named :expressionless-face:

turns out i actually did take a pic when i initially dropped him in the dt...seems he may have been male since i got him?

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awesome, thanks! i had a feeling based on the pect fins as those definitely grew since i got him. Thinking back, my now missing bathyphilus seemed to be very slowly losing weight (was def female)...they did have some occasional chasing but no major bullying i ever saw. Been in the tank together for at least 3 months, and of course it was the first fish my wife named :expressionless-face:

turns out i actually did take a pic when i initially dropped him in the dt...seems he may have been male since i got him?

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Looks to me he was always male, I believe when you got him he was still transitioning as the pelvic fins are usually the last thing to ‘grow’ when transitioning.
 
That's a lotta wrasses
Still planning a few more. Just have to save up some money and then find healthy ones, preferably locally.

Definitely:
Cirrhilabrus lubbocki (Indo)
Cirrhilabrus rhomboidalis
Macropharyngodon meleagris
Pseudojuloides severnsi

Maybe:
Cirrhilabrus briangreenei
Cirrhilabrus finifenmaa
Cirrhilabrus lineatus
Cirrhilabrus rubeus (my last one just disappeared...)
Halichoeres biocellatus
Halichoeres chrysus
Labroides dimidiatus
Macropharyngodon bipartitus
 
Still planning a few more. Just have to save up some money and then find healthy ones, preferably locally.

Definitely:
Cirrhilabrus lubbocki (Indo)
Cirrhilabrus rhomboidalis
Macropharyngodon meleagris
Pseudojuloides severnsi

Maybe:
Cirrhilabrus briangreenei
Cirrhilabrus finifenmaa
Cirrhilabrus lineatus
Cirrhilabrus rubeus (my last one just disappeared...)
Halichoeres biocellatus
Halichoeres chrysus
Labroides dimidiatus
Macropharyngodon bipartitus
Can’t go wrong with that list

I'm down to 3 wrasses: Vivien, chrysus and pink streak.

I'm in a holding pattern for 2 of the following females:

Jordani
Shutmani
Johnson's
Earlei

Lately I'm liking the earmuff more and more.
It took years before I got an earmuff. Always liked and wanted but never got one. Glad I did. Earls are cool. They are different.
 
Still planning a few more. Just have to save up some money and then find healthy ones, preferably locally.

Definitely:
Cirrhilabrus lubbocki (Indo)
Cirrhilabrus rhomboidalis
Macropharyngodon meleagris
Pseudojuloides severnsi

Maybe:
Cirrhilabrus briangreenei
Cirrhilabrus finifenmaa
Cirrhilabrus lineatus
Cirrhilabrus rubeus (my last one just disappeared...)
Halichoeres biocellatus
Halichoeres chrysus
Labroides dimidiatus
Macropharyngodon bipartitus
I assume you’re looking at the Indonesian Lubbocki for your 3’ tank? I can see a Cebu Lubbocki in your photos and I wouldn’t do this pairing in a 3’ tank - my two display nightly (sometimes even twice a day) and their displays can be more so like a Flasher’s display once they start growing.
 

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