The Wrasse Lover's Thread!

[cba191]

Would getting a juvenile iridis and putting it with the melanurus inprove the odds?

I disagree and don’t mean to insult. . Iridis, yellow and adorned are chill. Mel’s can be aggressive to other wrasse and fish. Dusty’s and other get big and become jerks. The earmuff uses size to be dominant but are very much teddy bears when it comes push to shove. Facts. A red Cori’s is known to be a jerk but what people don’t see is how bad they can be murderers and even eat coral. Don’t believe outdated info on wrasse past down from generations. The people who known stoped being on forums as no one what’s to hear it

I'm not insulted. I know next to nothing. I am pretty much going to live in this thread to learn everything i can. The melanurus seems to be getting along with the dartfish. They're much more active with the new wrasse though.

 

[Crabby48]

Some people said they kept wrasse that people knew wouldn’t work. They claim and said for years we were wrong but yet they lost wrasse do to what we said and hid the truth or wrote it off as another issue. All lies. Many lives was lost to egos and internet attention . It’s reasons the ones who known stoped being left here and other reasons. Don’t believe the it or lfs as most have no clue. Look at people that can keep wrasse years without issue and many time mixing wrasse and be successful they will replace dominate males for new fish before an issue occurs. Wrasse do great in groups until they mature and sending them off for new is common and best.

 

[Crabby48]

I'm not insulted. I know next to nothing. I am pretty much going to live in this thread to learn everything i can. The melanurus seems to be getting along with the dartfish. They're much more active with the new wrasse though.

I can come off abrasive and it’s not towards one person except certain instances. Like I said in last past wrasse can do great like you are seeing but as they mature they can be jerks. Many times the most chill wrasse can be the biggest jerks as they live by survival of the fittest. Strong prevail. So the chillest wrasse can be the biggest murderers. Fairy are the hardest. They want to be a jerk but are weak and stress is the biggest reason for wrasse deaths. Healthy happy wrasse never jump out of a tank. They jump from stress or spooked.

 

[cba191]

Some people said they kept wrasse that people knew wouldn’t work. They claim and said for years we were wrong but yet they lost wrasse do to what we said and hid the truth or wrote it off as another issue. All lies. Many lives was lost to egos and internet attention . It’s reasons the ones who known stoped being left here and other reasons. Don’t believe the it or lfs as most have no clue. Look at people that can keep wrasse years without issue and many time mixing wrasse and be successful they will replace dominate males for new fish before an issue occurs. Wrasse do great in groups until they mature and sending them off for new is common and best.

Most of the people in this thread know far more than I. And I am more than willing to listen.

 

[cba191]

I'm not insulted. I know next to nothing. I am pretty much going to live in this thread to learn everything i can. The melanurus seems to be getting along with the dartfish. They're much more active with the new wrasse though.

I can come off abrasive and it’s not towards one person except certain instances. Like I said in last past wrasse can do great like you are seeing but as they mature they can be jerks. Many times the most chill wrasse can be the biggest jerks as they live by survival of the fittest. Strong prevail. So the chillest wrasse can be the biggest murderers. Fairy are the hardest. They want to be a jerk but are weak and stress is the biggest reason for wrasse deaths. Healthy happy wrasse never jump out of a tank. They jump from stress or spooked.

Is that fairy wrasse chart on temperaments pretty accurate?

 

[Crabby48]

Most of the people in this thread know far more than I. And I am more than willing to listen.

The trick is every tank and fish will break all rules. We set a common rule to help not also it causes issue. All I can say is spend time with you wrasse and learn them. It’s not uncommon to have to rehome and replace at times as they mature. Also bacteria plays a huge part in healthy and why Orion can save anemones and have success.

You can be here and learn but you also need to watch and learn for you. I had one on one talks with humble fish and meds as I disagree with him and how wrasse react to meds. Also many others that qt fish as a business. Much we agree and some we all disagree. I find earls do great in copper but not prazi as others see. Prazi known to be safe for any fish and copper not so much. Why we don’t know but with help and more years we figure it out. Earls isn’t only fish like that. Earls are known to be fragile and chill my three all were murders. Like wait for wrasse to go to sleep and rip them apart in the caves phyco. People and animals that are aggressive is mostly from fear. A rattle snake is chill but once spooked or pushed strike type of thing. Flame wrasse known as very chill also many times been my biggest issue for killers. That said a fish that will not live peacefully with others can with a lot of time. Many times its its strength if the weak ones to grow a set and stand up to others.

 

[Crabby48]

Is that fairy wrasse chart on temperaments pretty accurate?

I will stand behind that chart as a guide but it can be broken and also it will go wrong for reasons I stated in other post. Fairy’s are a pain. They will be happy then when they mature become jerks and also stress easily and that will kill them quick. Sand sleepers tend to be easier. Leopards if you get healthy are very easy. That said male leopards can be hardest to live to gather.

 

[Crabby48]

Also as decease goes with wrasse flukes is most common and their slime coats resist ich but they can still carry. Smaller chance. Ich and velvet are a parasite and will find away to survive so hit wrasse gills and stay invisible to spots but will kill hidden if you don’t know the wrasse behavior

 

[Tcook]

A few months back I almost pulled the trigger on a 400 to replace my 220. Man reason was a found a potters that been in captivity 2 years before Hawaii closed. I talked to him and said the chances he will survive the move is slim. He decided to remove and re’home the fish that were the problem for potters. Losing my potters and the reason was what made me loose interest in hobby but I will never risk a fish life for what I want vs what is best for them and happy the gentleman took my advice. Established or older wrasse do poorly with moves and why I always saay get them young. Also being males makes it had to get along with others. Potters are not like other leopards. Behavior and mind set of them are much different they are weak but once established tend to be bold and want to dominate but yet it’s from weakness and that’s a bad combo. Earmuffs are very similar to them but more tolerant to daily stress of others and tank life. Potters tend to be only wrasse that don’t like to be in a tank like some tangs that we label ich magnets. Look deeper why and the psychology of the animals and it makes sense whether we wanna believe it or understand it. As keepers we need to understand why people say a wrasse won’t live in captivity long as they will bit people don’t understand why and give them what they need.
These reason are also why @OrionN has lick keeping pairs and me with trios and pairs. Trios will always be safer then pairs and you need to choices wisely live Choats, viviens and china’s. Tank mates and size can help but yet it’s knowing fish and their psychology.
Did you know test have been preformed on fish by injecting a spot of dye. None cared but a cleaner wrasse seen the spot on him in a mirror and tried scratching it off afterwards. More to it but a start of understanding fish. Watch learn and observe how deep it goes with your tank. People have a disconnect with animals and mostly fish but fish, animals and people have way more in Courtney we like to admit. Also why I can get wrasse to transition at will. Learn your animals and what they need and want. Give them a reason to transition even wrasse that are known never to transition in captivity and they will.

Rant over. Laugh or whatever you like but yet proof is in the chocolate pudding

I mind meld with my vivien

 

[Crabby48]

I mind meld with my vivien

Mmm viviens. They have very sensitive gills of all wrasse. They will show signs long before other wrasse of an issue.
Viviens and potters will always be my love. Viviens for looks and how sweet they are. Potters because well blue and orange are two of the best color combos but their personalities aren’t so great. Also only wrasse besides Hemi’s that don’t look to ever settle happily in a tank.

 

[Crabby48]

how can’t you see live with a viviens

 

[Crabby48]

And don’t make fun of him because he is fat!
Pictures were on empty stomach. In person he was twice the thickness he should have been.

 

[JoJosReef]

I can come off abrasive and it’s not towards one person except certain instances. Like I said in last past wrasse can do great like you are seeing but as they mature they can be jerks. Many times the most chill wrasse can be the biggest jerks as they live by survival of the fittest. Strong prevail. So the chillest wrasse can be the biggest murderers. Fairy are the hardest. They want to be a jerk but are weak and stress is the biggest reason for wrasse deaths. Healthy happy wrasse never jump out of a tank. They jump from stress or spooked.

It has been my exquisite fairy that is the one chasing the Halichoeres and Pencil wrasses. The yellow banged its nose a couple of times on the lid. I didn't see the jumping, but I observed the exquisite giving the yellow a chase every now and then. Now it chases the pencil wrasse, but the pencil doesn't seem to go upwards--it has its escape routes and generally doesn't seem too terribly bothered by the exquisite--thinks it knows the fairy is all bark. Anyway, I think that is why the yellow jumped. They tend to do it in corners when they do, so I think it was bad luck and terrible error to forget to close the feeding door.

Oddly enough, the pencil and the leopard both went after the tiny flasher and the exquisite did not. They both had a close look at her and seemed to decide then and there that she would fit in their mouths. The exquisite and the foxface came to the rescue. Never seen the exquisite so riled up and so colorful, but he kept the pencil and leopard in place long enough for the little flasher to establish herself. It's really crazy how they interact. You can TELL when the wrasses are in "prowl" mode, and the other fish can tell as well. As soon as the pencil, and especially the leopard, start doing this (this is the first time I've seen either act this way ever), the foxface jumps right into gear blocking them from coming to the little flasher's side of the tank with his spikes raised. I've seen the foxface "escort" the leopard back to the other side. Crazy.

 

[JoJosReef]

I will stand behind that chart as a guide but it can be broken and also it will go wrong for reasons I stated in other post. Fairy’s are a pain. They will be happy then when they mature become jerks and also stress easily and that will kill them quick. Sand sleepers tend to be easier. Leopards if you get healthy are very easy. That said male leopards can be hardest to live to gather.

female leopards are prettier anyway. My blue star leopard and I are best buddies. Although the CBB is trying to take over as bestie, but that's mostly because she sees me as the god of food.

 

[Crabby48]

Is that fairy wrasse chart on temperaments pretty accurate?

Your best bet is decide what wrasse you want and match personalities. Also get them small as females and hope for best. Have a trap ready if it don’t work. Adding them in groups and quick helps huge. Let them grow and mature together. I find tangs to be much much more easy to mix as they will just fight as men and not hide and wither away from stress. Also mirrors and removing temporary works well with tangs and not as much with wrasse. Wrasse is like a wild cat. If it marks a fish as a problem removing won’t help as they will more times then not go right back to the same fish. Wrasse want to be top of food chain then others. Will they settle in or do what it takes to over come next inline is the trick. What works today may not in a few months or years

 

[Crabby48]

It has been my exquisite fairy that is the one chasing the Halichoeres and Pencil wrasses. The yellow banged its nose a couple of times on the lid. I didn't see the jumping, but I observed the exquisite giving the yellow a chase every now and then. Now it chases the pencil wrasse, but the pencil doesn't seem to go upwards--it has its escape routes and generally doesn't seem too terribly bothered by the exquisite--thinks it knows the fairy is all bark. Anyway, I think that is why the yellow jumped. They tend to do it in corners when they do, so I think it was bad luck and terrible error to forget to close the feeding door.

Oddly enough, the pencil and the leopard both went after the tiny flasher and the exquisite did not. They both had a close look at her and seemed to decide then and there that she would fit in their mouths. The exquisite and the foxface came to the rescue. Never seen the exquisite so riled up and so colorful, but he kept the pencil and leopard in place long enough for the little flasher to establish herself. It's really crazy how they interact. You can TELL when the wrasses are in "prowl" mode, and the other fish can tell as well. As soon as the pencil, and especially the leopard, start doing this (this is the first time I've seen either act this way ever), the foxface jumps right into gear blocking them from coming to the little flasher's side of the tank with his spikes raised. I've seen the foxface "escort" the leopard back to the other side. Crazy.

Pencils tend to not do well with erase but do good with leopards. Yellows are chill so I can see it bang around. Pencils don’t like high energy tanks and why I stayed away from them. Exquisite. Will leave wrasse alone he doesn’t see a threat. Wrasse that are a threat he will go for first.
Most times a bully wrasse will stop and behave if all others stand their grounds and end it. Like a bully in school. They go for the weaker most times as they are weak or feel threatened.

 

[Crabby48]

This picture one of my favorites why. It shows a wrasse that’s bored but showing its dominance to a human. Wrasse tail down head up flashing is how they pose towards stand their ground. He did this to Orchidmiss while she had him in holding.

 

[Crabby48]

My hemi standing his ground to flame after two years of me working with them does same pose

female leopards are prettier anyway. My blue star leopard and I are best buddies. Although the CBB is trying to take over as bestie, but that's mostly because she sees me as the god of food.

agree about female leopards but male Viviens colors are brighter by far. Also I tend to like male potters. The rest I will take a female over male. My Cbb owned my tank and all wrasse and tangs backed down to him at feeding time. CBB ate from hand and wrasse got scraped at first before I dumped food in for all. I feed a half a shot glass of frozen in the tank at feeding time

More time we spend with the tank better I had with wrasse living together. When I stopped putting time in the worse they behaved. Many fish like to interact with is. All my CBB were very much people person. Also Borbs like to interact.
Female viviens not so much but my male from day one like to rub his dorsal on me and would always come to me for a scratch. He was qt’ed by tank transfer and think some gave him extra love as I bought him treated. Same guy who did my Choats but they never got close to me. Idk. Luck my viviens was friendly maybe but he definitely liked orchidmiss. He would always show off for her.

 

[Crabby48]

Blast from past before I gave up for personal keeps. I still keep in touch with owners and they are all doing good. Only lose I had was diamondtail doa after moving him. He beat himself up as soon as I put him in bucket. He I was worried about during the move for that reason.

 

[Crabby48]

Learn from that video. They all got along but obviously they were edgy and unhappy with tank mates. They made it work because they had no choice. They were extra edgy as I just got home and they want food and I videoed vs feeding. That’s unhappy fish though. A chance is okay if others can take it but it will also shorten their life. Do you want to live stressed and deal with a bully ?

Sand sleepers can live a life in bare bottom but die young. Why? Stress of inatrual life. Fairy’s in wild don’t live in rocks. They burry under rocks wher it meets the sand. Give them proper homes and they get along and live longer. Orion fish live long life’s because keeps them stress free