White spots and Flashing

[Toby892]

New to the r2r forum. Looking for some help with my blenny fish and clownfish. The blenny mostly has white spots on him but now am seeing on dark clownfish as well. I thought it was flukes and have ran praziclean by fritz to no results. Ran it 6 days apart first two then 5 days apart rounds 3-4 and now just did dose 5 2 days apart. Spots are coming and going and I know doing a fwdip would be the best confirmation for flukes but man catching the lil critter is a . I am aware that the biological environment in our tanks can break down prazi under ~2ppm within 2-3 days. I'm just not sure at this point with how aggressive I've been with prazi that it is flukes at this point. Any thoughts and past experience would be appreciated. All I know for certain this all started after I attempted a refug with some chaeto that I did a 5min fw dip and added a bottle of copepods.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

New to the r2r forum. Looking for some help with my blenny fish and clownfish. The blenny mostly has white spots on him but now am seeing on dark clownfish as well. I thought it was flukes and have ran praziclean by fritz to no results. Ran it 6 days apart first two then 5 days apart rounds 3-4 and now just did dose 5 2 days apart. Spots are coming and going and I know doing a fwdip would be the best confirmation for flukes but man catching the lil critter is a . I am aware that the biological environment in our tanks can break down prazi under ~2ppm within 2-3 days. I'm just not sure at this point with how aggressive I've been with prazi that it is flukes at this point. Any thoughts and past experience would be appreciated. All I know for certain this all started after I attempted a refug with some chaeto that I did a 5min fw dip and added a bottle of copepods.

Flukes don't cause distinct white spots like that. Typical symptoms for various flukes include; rapid breathing, scratching/flashing and darting, as well as general cloudy skin and sometimes tattered fins.

These spots may just be mucus or grains of sand/detritus stuck in the fish's slime coat, or it could be the start of ich, Cryptocaryon.

 

[Toby892]

Flukes don't cause distinct white spots like that. Typical symptoms for various flukes include; rapid breathing, scratching/flashing and darting, as well as general cloudy skin and sometimes tattered fins.

These spots may just be mucus or grains of sand/detritus stuck in the fish's slime coat, or it could be the start of ich, Cryptocaryon.

Thanks for the reply Jay!! so I've been dealing with this for about 3 weeks if it were to be ich wouldn't there be more spots and multiple fishes. They only symptom i am seeing is scratching on sand and powerhead. I did have a lost about 10 days ago my dragonet died and i suspect it was due to the prazi. Otherwise fishes are swimming normally eating like pigs but the midas and one clown are scratching and my tomini tang has these spots on him (see pic) Thanks!!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thanks for the reply Jay!! so I've been dealing with this for about 3 weeks if it were to be ich wouldn't there be more spots and multiple fishes. They only symptom i am seeing is scratching on sand and powerhead. I did have a lost about 10 days ago my dragonet died and i suspect it was due to the prazi. Otherwise fishes are swimming normally eating like pigs but the midas and one clown are scratching and my tomini tang has these spots on him (see pic) Thanks!!

Those spots look too large and raised up to be ich - tangs often show "mucus plugs/cones" as a reaction to some stressor in the tank. Seeing white spots on the fins themselves would be more of a sign of ich, but I'm not seeing that here.

Mandarins are fine with prazi, so something else must have caused that loss.

 

[Toby892]

Those spots look too large and raised up to be ich - tangs often show "mucus plugs/cones" as a reaction to some stressor in the tank. Seeing white spots on the fins themselves would be more of a sign of ich, but I'm not seeing that here.

Mandarins are fine with prazi, so something else must have caused that loss.

On first picture of the tang you can see spots on the fins

 

[Jay Hemdal]

On first picture of the tang you can see spots on the fins

I'm just not seeing that. I can see *something* on the fins of the second shot, but they are out of focus. You are in a better position to judge that in real life, as opposed to photos.

 

[Toby892]

I'm just not seeing that. I can see *something* on the fins of the second shot, but they are out of focus. You are in a better position to judge that in real life, as opposed to photos.

Added a few more pictures and a short video. I appreciate the help Jay!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Added a few more pictures and a short video. I appreciate the help Jay!

In the video, I can see smaller smaller spots that I can’t rule out as being ich.

The treatments for this would be coppersafe or hyposalinity - neither can be used in tanks with invertebrates, and all exposed fish would need to be treated.

I can walk you through those if you want me to.

 

[Toby892]

In the video, I can see smaller smaller spots that I can’t rule out as being ich.

The treatments for this would be coppersafe or hyposalinity - neither can be used in tanks with invertebrates, and all exposed fish would need to be treated.

I can walk you through those if you want me to.

Yea that was my fear it being ich. It had to come from the pods or chaeto then for sure as I qt everything inverts corals and all. So Ill do copper power 30 days at 2.5ppm and 2 weeks observation there after. You think 45 days fallow at 82 degrees would be sufficient?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Yea that was my fear it being ich. It had to come from the pods or chaeto then for sure as I qt everything inverts corals and all. So Ill do copper power 30 days at 2.5ppm and 2 weeks observation there after. You think 45 days fallow at 82 degrees would be sufficient?

That would be the minimum fallow period. 60 days is safer.

 

[Toby892]

That would be the minimum fallow period. 60 days is safer.

Copy that should i rush to a qt protocol or doing a big wc and observe for a week and see if its just water quality from meds causing this

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Copy that should i rush to a qt protocol or doing a big wc and observe for a week and see if its just water quality from meds causing this

Watch the spots - if the spots change location and increase in number every day or so, then it is likely ich and will need treatment. Be prepared to treat though, because at a point, the number of spots increase geometrically and can overwhelm the fish very quickly.

 

[Toby892]

Watch the spots - if the spots change location and increase in number every day or so, then it is likely ich and will need treatment. Be prepared to treat though, because at a point, the number of spots increase geometrically and can overwhelm the fish very quickly.

Ill post back in 48 hours with update. Thanks again for all your help!!

 

[Toby892]

@Jay Hemdal woke up to the tomini Tang having all these spots on him

 

[Jay Hemdal]

@Jay Hemdal woke up to the tomini Tang having all these spots on him

That is weird - those look like tang turbellarian worms, called “black ich”. I don’t see any white ich spots. It’s possible that the black spots are granulation tissue produced by the fish as a reaction to previously located ich spots.

 

[Toby892]

That is weird - those look like tang turbellarian worms, called “black ich”. I don’t see any white ich spots. It’s possible that the black spots are granulation tissue produced by the fish as a reaction to previously located ich spots.

I feel at this point hypo would be best. If it's ich hypo and copper if it's black ich then prazipro or hypo. Is there any other suggestions or just do the hypo? 1.009? How long fallow now at 82 degree with new update on conditions

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I feel at this point hypo would be best. If it's ich hypo and copper if it's black ich then prazipro or hypo. Is there any other suggestions or just do the hypo? 1.009? How long fallow now at 82 degree with new update on conditions

30 days of hypo should be good. I don't know how long a tank needs to be fallow for turbellarians, but I think it is less than for ich (60 days for that is best).

 

[Toby892]

30 days of hypo should be good. I don't know how long a tank needs to be fallow for turbellarians, but I think it is less than for ich (60 days for that is best).

You got it. 1.009 or 1.008?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

You got it. 1.009 or 1.008?

1.009 to 1.010 is safest.

 

[Toby892]

1.009 to 1.010 is safest.

Its there at 1.009 ? will the black spots fall off him if it were black ich? Ive read hypo isnt really a treatment protocol for black ich. I do have prazipro and flubendazole (flubendazole works wonders on prazi resistant flukes!!)