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[kingranch2003]

Here are the results from my test.
Ph 7.7
Calcium 470
Magnesium 1170
Kh 11.5
Phosphate .03

You definitely dont need to dose an alkalinity supplement, but maybe some of the afr users can chime in. Won't afr hold her levels here at this point? Maybe raising calcium and mag?

 

[kingranch2003]

I actually got some of those already I think. They are AOI Zoas right?

Yessir!

 

[kingranch2003]

Put it in partial shade and very low flow if possible. Feed after dark and watch for shrimp or crabs crawling on it or fish pecking at it.

This is the absolute best advice in one post, IMO

 

[Imrahilwjz]

Well yeah, none of the other species can write

 

[kingranch2003]

Ok so maybe I just need to feed the corals more often to get them to grow? I was only feeding once sometimes twice a week.

Yes! Especially is your p04 is that low. LPS like nutrients in the water and or spot feeding.

 

[kingranch2003]

raising your dKH with sodium bicarbonate can lower your ph

Doesn't AFR also lower ph?

 

[TheNative192]

So the ph, magnesium and calcium don't need to be higher?

Also your alk is already very high so All for Reef would not be great since if that is pushed higher it would be bad. I would make sure the magnesium is an accurate reading since unless your not doing water changes or have a lot of euphlyia that reading doesn't make sense

 

[kingranch2003]

Hope you and the family are feeling good my friend. Have fun!

 

[kingranch2003]

Also your alk is already very high so All for Reef would not be great since if that is pushed higher it would be bad. I would make sure the magnesium is an accurate reading since unless your not doing water changes or have a lot of euphlyia that reading doesn't make sense

+1

 

[ShakeyGizzard]

You definitely dont need to dose an alkalinity supplement, but maybe some of the afr users can chime in. Won't afr hold her levels here at this point? Maybe raising calcium and mag?

it does tend to hold ph and dKH levels, that is why the instructions advise on getting these were you want them when starting AFR, but that is a perfect world that does not need AFR

 

[TheNative192]

But what else do I do? I had this happen to a coral beauty and it died.

Just remember the more you try to do to fix things the more likely you can cause other issues like added stress and possibly a disease outbreak. Sometimes you need to let them chill out. When I got my new Yellow tang I intentionally avoided the tank for a day or two other than feeding and I would sit in a chair far away or he would hide when he was eating. I sometimes even would feed and watch on my wyze camera in a different room as he would not come out. If your constantly looking in the tank that can freak the fish out so maybe feed and watch from far away. Trust me some fish also wait for food to come into their little rock or nook and eat for the first week or two.

 

[ShakeyGizzard]

Doesn't AFR also lower ph?

higher doses may

 

[ShakeyGizzard]

Doesn't AFR also lower ph?

the PH may dip when raising the dKH

 

[TheNative192]

It's tricky but I think with such a high Kh you would benefit with increasing your PH. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but there's a correlation there.

I have tested a fresh batch before but it was so long ago I can't remember what the readings where. I'm going to do my best to do a water change next weekend and will test the fresh batch then.

PH a lot of the times is an issue with not having enough Oxygen in the air in the room the tank is in. You can dose Kalkwasser (not recommended here due to Alk being high) to artificially inflate it. But the better plan (if possible) is to vent the room. 7.7 won't kill corals or fish, but it is not optimal for growth. Randy has posted a lot about this but some people say 8.0+ alk or higher is a must while others say its not that important. I started running my bathroom fan thats vented to the outside in a small condo and my PH will go up drastically during the day to 8.3 or 8.4 from around 7.8 in the morning. It usually stays around 8 if I manage to keep CO2 down in my condo. I do not dose anything for PH.

 

[ShakeyGizzard]

I have ordered what I need to DIY an AIO 20 gal tank, its just a standard Aqueon rimmed tank, not a long tank. Going to set me back about $65, I have the tank and return pump. Its not really a display tank, its an up grade to my "crab" tank. I will be posting pics and hopefully video of the work. But I will be putting a Reef Breeders meridian 11 on it, since i have one

 

[tbrown]

But what else do I do? I had this happen to a coral beauty and it died.

Unfortunately, these things frequently happen with Angels. Anthias I'm unsure of but I know they can be sensitive.

 

[kevgib67]

1150 isnt really at the high end of the recommended mag scale. I keep mine above 1400. Magnesium plays a large part in nuisance algae control, so the good stuff can out compete some of it. It also helps newer corals in the adjustment period after adding them to your tank.

Ive had this conversation with coral wholesalers that keep elevated mag levels for just this reason. Euphyllia acans and and many other lps will show drastic improvement in inflation and coloration as well.

I get what Randy is saying about hobby test kits, but ICP and numerous Hannah and salifert tests tests that show a response to mag supplementation or depletion every time, can at least show some control ability to maintain levels with dosing.

Same!

 

[Calmwaters]

PH a lot of the times is an issue with not having enough Oxygen in the air in the room the tank is in. You can dose Kalkwasser (not recommended here due to Alk being high) to artificially inflate it. But the better plan (if possible) is to vent the room. 7.7 won't kill corals or fish, but it is not optimal for growth. Randy has posted a lot about this but some people say 8.0+ alk or higher is a must while others say its not that important. I started running my bathroom fan thats vented to the outside in a small condo and my PH will go up drastically during the day to 8.3 or 8.4 from around 7.8 in the morning. It usually stays around 8 if I manage to keep CO2 down in my condo. I do not dose anything for PH.

I have a glass lid would replacing it with one that's not glass help with ph?

 

[NanoSteam]

Looks like you're at the high end of your parameters already so I wouldn't dose. Magnesium is likely not.correct. according to Randy Holmes there aren't any reliable testers for magnesium.

1150 isnt really at the high end of the recommended mag scale. I keep mine above 1400. Magnesium plays a large part in nuisance algae control, so the good stuff can out compete some of it. It also helps newer corals in the adjustment period after adding them to your tank.

Ive had this conversation with coral wholesalers that keep elevated mag levels for just this reason. Euphyllia acans and and many other lps will show drastic improvement in inflation and coloration as well.

I get what Randy is saying about hobby test kits, but ICP and numerous Hannah and salifert tests tests that show a response to mag supplementation or depletion every time, can at least show some control ability to maintain levels with dosing.

Ya my comment about it being high was ignoring mag but I see what you mean, I just don't know if everything being high mag can realistically be that depleted can it?

 

[TheNative192]

I have a glass lid would replacing it with one that's not glass help with ph?

If the lid completely or closes majority of the water from the air then that could be affecting the ph for sure. Thats why most lids are open with mesh. The only negative is you will have a lot more evaporation.