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2 Radions, XR15 G5 will be plenty. They are the best LED lights on the market period. Grow SPS like crazy. Kessils look nice if you like a lot of shimmer, but don't grow SPS nowhere near as well. They are ok for Anemones, LPS and softies but everything just takes off when you put Radions on by comparison.
 
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Bulk Reef Supply just concluded their best of lighting series, it's worth a look. No review on Metal Halides.
Some of the stores decided they will push the LEDs' deal. It's more profitable for the market in the long run because they always will bring "new gens" and we all know they don't last as the manufacturers promised. "New gens" come with the hype and people love apps and so on. It's market strategy in the name of "new technology" and they hope it's going to work. It's great to know we still have many T5 and halide manufacturers and we hope to get new quality brands coming soon with so many people going back to those lights. Also, they have excuses that some of the old bulbs aren't produced anymore. They forget we still have amazing options for metal halides in the market. People started to realize the unbeatable results from halides and/or T5s and how inexpensive is for the hobbyists in the long run just to change bulbs, cause the fixtures/ballasts last "forever". General ideas like " too hot", "need chiller" or "too much electricity" are starting to fall and people are also learning that isn't always the case. Main thing is to get the right fixture and the right wattage for the system. Qualities of light for corals aren't limited to PAR, PUR and spectrum charts, but distribution, uniformity, real UV ad IR. Results don't lie! Truth is that some people actually like the "blue LED style" and their results, which are well different from the other 2 previously mentioned, and that the market should have all the options available. We hope to see many quality halide bulbs, ballasts and fixtures coming soon in the market. ATI is still the leader of T5s and is doing a great job!! There is room of everyone at the moment.
Here are some of the reviews on halides from BRS:


 

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we hope to get new quality brands coming soon with so many people going back to those lights....We hope to see many quality halide bulbs, ballasts and fixtures coming soon in the market.
I was with you and generally agree on everything you said but this part made me kind of tilt my head a little. With the exception of hexarc Phoenix bulbs making a brief disappearance and reappearance it’s been a while since anything new has come to the table. Maybe the Hamilton 20k reformulation that happened, what, some 4 years ago?

Admittedly I don’t keep my ear as close to the rumor mill as I used to, but I haven’t heard anything about any new players or product updates in a while. Are there some more resurgences in the works?
 

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Not to get into a religious debate here, but even if halides are best, which is questionable, but for the sake of argument lets say thats the case, they will still loose out purely because of convenience and longevity of LEDs. Halides and fluorescents are like the old film cameras compared to digital that took over. Sure there are those who will claim till their last day that digital will never be as good or better than analog, but the reality is that they constitute 1%, and shrinking, of the market. LEDs may not be perfect but they are more than good enough, and are getting better all the time, they are smaller, cooler and cost 75% or less to operate. Its just a different millennium. There may be a niche for halides but they will soon cost a lot more just because 90% of the manufacturing will cease. Same for fluorescents. The technology is just ancient and there isn't whole heck of a a lot you can do to improve the fundamental characteristics. They are going to be antique collectors items. Can't stop time no matter how hard you try.
 
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I was with you and generally agree on everything you said but this part made me kind of tilt my head a little. With the exception of hexarc Phoenix bulbs making a brief disappearance and reappearance it’s been a while since anything new has come to the table. Maybe the Hamilton 20k reformulation that happened, what, some 4 years ago?

Admittedly I don’t keep my ear as close to the rumor mill as I used to, but I haven’t heard anything about any new players or product updates in a while. Are there some more resurgences in the works?
Hope, my friend. Just hope.
 

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I hope to one day win the lottery. I don't actually buy tickets, but hey, I can hope! Come to think of it, the odds of me winning are about the same mathematically whether I buy a ticket or not.

Realistically, I hope that one day reefers can get over themselves enough to realize that all the popular reef lights grow corals these days. Whichever technology you pick is up to your personal preferences and tastes, and there's no "right answer" there.
 

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They all grow corals differently and that's when personal preferences could play.
 

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I have the same tank I run 8 bulb ATI and orphek bars very happy with it sps tank
 

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I was at World Wide Corals in Orlando FL last week. They have a huge amount of Corals in the store. The only lights they used were Radions, I think Gen 4.
 

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I was at World Wide Corals in Orlando FL last week. They have a huge amount of Corals in the store. The only lights they used were Radions, I think Gen 4.
Yes, they can't help because they have limited availability of electricity. They have only Radions because they've got a deal with the company. Doesn't mean those are the very best light to those corals. Absolutely nothing wrong with that too, just business. As long as they like and works for their application.
 
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I get laughed out of the lfs every time I mention I just went from 8T5's to 2 250 watt MH.
They all work so pic what works for you.
If I was to pick leds for that tank I would seriously look at running 3-4 orphek light bars.
Second would be 2 used gen 4 xr 30's which I just picked up for a crazy low price that I could not pass on for my next upgrade which will be MH and xr30's.
 

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see my post regarding my new ReeFi Uno LED fixture:
 
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They all grow corals differently and that's when personal preferences could play.
Adam at BattleCorals uses T5s, LEDs and MH. Adam said in an interview with CoralVue:

There's really no distinction between what you see under LED and what you see under halide in this case. From what I can see, like even growth or color-wise, you couldn't say "oh these are LED and they look a little muted." The results are essentially the same. If you asked me to pick out which one of these were under LEDs, I couldn't tell.
If you have LEDs, T5s and MH all over the same tank in your coral farm and see significantly different colors or growth, please share your results.
 

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Adam at BattleCorals uses T5s, LEDs and MH. Adam said in an interview with CoralVue:



If you have LEDs, T5s and MH all over the same tank in your coral farm and see significantly different colors or growth, please share your results.
I've been posting here to help the newbies to understand some facts about the market, now you come with the old debate about halides X LEDs using Adam's words in that video as a proof?

You should then tell Adam to stop using his halides forever if that's really the case. Go talk to him personally and see for yourself! We know the differences exist and it's so obvious! Unless all the people posting their testimonies here through the last years, besides me, are lying about it. I know I'm not.
If you want that experience please set up a system yourself, so you can understand better. You need that confirmation, not me.

Halides are the KING of reef lighting!!! I think some of you like when I say that!
Even among halides we can see differences of it's majesty, but the supreme quality of it's physical properties reigns.
Here is the truth of what Adam thinks:
And here is a special quote from Adam himself published in that link:
"But let me tell you this, I don’t know if I’d be where I am today, without the help of this bulb. And I mean that. I still very much believe that the best colors, and by far the most aggressive growth, I ever experienced, were in corals baking under the shine of the Sakis, overdriven on an m-80 magnetic ballast. "

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And... that little LED fixture between those halide reflectors... is that a joke or what!!???
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I have just recently purchased a water Box 130.4 waiting for the arrival I'm looking for suggestions on the hands down best lighting system to provide for SPS and LPS tank...Ty in advance
All depends on the budget
 

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To those citing adam’s testimony on lighting, we should stay fair and balanced. Yes, he loves the iwasaki 6500k bulbs. Yes they carried him far. Yes he has gone on record stating he may cease using MH entirely when he runs through the last of his stock because the difference now in what he is achieving is marginal between different tech. We can argue all we like on what we believe is best, but, when citing someone, let’s try to avoid picking and choosing bits that support one side and omitting any information that may be contradictory. It makes for clouded and dishonest arguments.

Personal opinion, I wish I had used iwasakis when I could. Would have been nice to experience that.

Also, since that original video was posted, Adams setup has grown quite a bit as evidenced in further videos. He has full raceways under each dedicated lighting tech. He isn’t blending them anymore.

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