Chloroquine phosphate

[psionicdragon]

hm but aren't eating is what i am very concern about.

Think I figure out why they aren’t eating... velvet...

 

[Humblefish]

Think I figure out why they aren’t eating... velvet...

Velvet shouldn’t be getting through CP.

 

[psionicdragon]

Velvet shouldn’t be getting through CP.

Oh these are new and I started the CP 3-4 days ago. Gave thems ome time to settle in before I tossed in meds. How can I get them to start eating again?

 

[Humblefish]

Oh these are new and I started the CP 3-4 days ago. Gave thems ome time to settle in before I tossed in meds. How can I get them to start eating again?

Have you tried soaking garlic in their food?

 

[psionicdragon]

Have you tried soaking garlic in their food?

Yup! tried everything from dry, fresh, frozen, and beyond. Majestic isn't breathing heavily but lethargic

 

[Humblefish]

Yup! tried everything from dry, fresh, frozen, and beyond. Majestic isn't breathing heavily but lethargic

If they are showing active signs of velvet, you may need to FW dip + Rally bath in order to provide temporary relief.

 

[jasonrusso]

If they are showing active signs of velvet, you may need to FW dip + Rally bath in order to provide temporary relief.

I don't understand how they are showing signs of velvet while in CP. I know it isn't supposed to, but there are several reports (mine included) of how CP knocks velvet off the fish in a day or 2.

 

[Humblefish]

I don't understand how they are showing signs of velvet while in CP. I know it isn't supposed to, but there are several reports (mine included) of how CP knocks velvet off the fish in a day or 2.

@Christoph and I are about to begin an experiment regarding degradation/decomposition of CP.

I have bleached two of my QTs - one with light, one without - in order to hit the “reset button” on all microbes (including bacteria). I will dose a small amount of nitrifying bacteria for ammonia control, dose CP @ 60mg/gal, add fish, and collect water samples every few days to send to @Christoph. He can test the actual concentration of Chloroquine in the water.

What we hope to accomplish:

1. Map out degradation/decomposition of CP in a freshly setup QT, after nitrifying bacteria has been dosed and a moderate fish bioload has been added. This will give us a “rough idea” of how long CP can be used before it drops below minimum therapeutic (40mg/gal); and needs either more CP added and/or the QT needs to be sterilized.
2. Whether or not aquarium light degrades CP in the water.

In the future we plan on also testing whether or not running a UV sterilizer has any impact on CP in the water. :)

 

[psionicdragon]

I don't understand how they are showing signs of velvet while in CP. I know it isn't supposed to, but there are several reports (mine included) of how CP knocks velvet off the fish in a day or 2.

I am not sure whether or not the strain I have is the stubborn one or resistant one. It seems like my area of LFS been bringing in fishes with uronema and velvet. I usually inspect the fishes really well before I purchase them. However, they usually end up perishing. The majestic just perished. I am doing Humble's suggestion of fresh water and rally.

The main common factor from the lfs that I am buying fishes from is that they all use the same local wholesaler

 

[jasonrusso]

I am not sure whether or not the strain I have is the stubborn one or resistant one. It seems like my area of LFS been bringing in fishes with uronema and velvet. I usually inspect the fishes really well before I purchase them. However, they usually end up perishing. The majestic just perished. I am doing Humble's suggestion of fresh water and rally.

The main common factor from the lfs that I am buying fishes from is that they all use the same local wholesaler

Um, the fish "usually perish?" I think you need a new supplier, better methods, or both.

 

[WWIII]

Has anyone purchased from aquariumstoredepot.com?

 

[psionicdragon]

Anyone ever out why CP can't be used with live rock?

 

[Dr. Reef]

because there is no test of it and our experience tells us that rock can absorb and release elements so we cant be sure and thus we avoid it until there are some studies done or test kits available to know otherwise.

 

[bozo]

10 grams 20 bucks? holy smokes this stuff is more expensive than heroin!

 

[bozo]

Correct me if I'm wrong @Humblefish.

Math:

25 gallon tank
40 mg CP/gallon

40mg CP/gallon x 25 gallon = 1000mg CP = 1 gram CP?

$34.88 for 30 grams from diamondback drugs


Thanks

 

[ReefWithCare]

I don’t get it. We talk about how it’s expensive but blast EBay sellers but then a few of us look at Labs where it’s $50+ for a few grams ‍.

From a vet it was about $47 for 12G from the locals who got a script at least in my area before the vet stopped writing scripts [emoji29].

Can you order direct from diamondback?

 

[SallyWho]

I've scanned all 68 pages of this thread (which is chock full of great info), and I have a question. This may have been answered already and I just missed it, though.

The generally accepted quarantine period to deal with some of the most stubborn strains of ich is 76 days. I've always assumed that 76 days was how long my livestock needed to be in QT. But, if I recall correctly, that 76 day guideline doesn't account for CP usage. If I use CP for 30 days, run carbon and do a water change, then dose Prazipro, do I still need to do a full 76 days of QT? The 76 days is for that rare stubborn ich strain, right? But if CP takes care of the ich in 30 days, shouldn't a 76 day QT be overkill? I could conceivably be done with QT after, say, six weeks, right? After CP and Prazi, then making sure everybody is eating well and looks healthy, they should be ready for the display?

 

[ScooterV]

I had the same questions :) It may be another thread though. The 30 days covers "most" strains and why more observation would be needed. @Humblefish has advised often it may be safer to go 10-14 days with CP and then transfer to a sterile tank. It leaves behind even the possibility of those strains. That's what I've started doing, but I have a stack of tanks.

 

[Humblefish]

The generally accepted quarantine period to deal with some of the most stubborn strains of ich is 76 days. I've always assumed that 76 days was how long my livestock needed to be in QT. But, if I recall correctly, that 76 day guideline doesn't account for CP usage. If I use CP for 30 days, run carbon and do a water change, then dose Prazipro, do I still need to do a full 76 days of QT? The 76 days is for that rare stubborn ich strain, right? But if CP takes care of the ich in 30 days, shouldn't a 76 day QT be overkill? I could conceivably be done with QT after, say, six weeks, right? After CP and Prazi, then making sure everybody is eating well and looks healthy, they should be ready for the display?

30 days of copper or CP treatment eliminates most strains of ich. However, if you were to encounter a strain with a prolonged lifecycle then a 30 day treatment could fail you. So, as @ScooterV suggested it is best to make use of 2 QTs and transfer the fish in CP/copper from QT#1 to QT#2 after 2 weeks. This leaves behind any unhatched tomonts in QT#1.

 

[SallyWho]

30 days of copper or CP treatment eliminates most strains of ich. However, if you were to encounter a strain with a prolonged lifecycle then a 30 day treatment could fail you. So, as @ScooterV suggested it is best to make use of 2 QTs and transfer the fish in CP/copper from QT#1 to QT#2 after 2 weeks. This leaves behind any unhatched tomonts in QT#1.

Wow, quick response! I could get my hands on another QT tank, no problem. The problem is finding a place 10' away to put it. So after two weeks, I move the fish to the second "clean" QT for further observation- for how long? With the current batch, I did Prazipro (liquid form) first, and have done two water changes and run some carbon since then. So if I start CP this weekend, go for two weeks, and then move them to another QT, shouldn't they be just about done? Or do I wait and observe for another week or so before setting them loose? Thanks!