COPPERSAFE WARNING along with Research on Hanna Instruments High Range Copper Checker

deedubz · Mar 21, 2018

4FordFamily said:
It works fine with coppersafe. Coppersafe blames us for testing. It shouldn’t be any different than copper power. Hanna is on par with API tester for coppersafe

Lol ok. I clearly misunderstood your previous post.

You sir just saved my wall from having a shiny new hole(that's the kind of day I've been having)

DanielJameS · Mar 21, 2018

The thought of how many people may have lost a ton of fish, being so cautious and careful with their dosage...maybe thinking it was other factors like parasitic or their own neglect of water parameters, only to find out they unknowingly killed their fish with a copper overdose based on mfg recommendations??

Fritz/Mardel should be ashamed of themselves. 4x the dose of copper is “safe” my ***

That’s the kind of thing that should provoke a class action lawsuit. This hobby is WAY too expensive for “whoops...our bad ‍

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deedubz · Mar 21, 2018

DanielJameS said:
The thought of how many people may have lost a ton of fish, being so cautious and careful with their dosage...maybe thinking it was other factors like parasitic or their own neglect of water parameters, only to find out they unknowingly killed their fish with a copper overdose based on mfg recommendations??

Fritz/Mardel should be ashamed of themselves. 4x the dose of copper is “safe” my ***

That’s the kind of thing that should provoke a class action lawsuit. This hobby is WAY too expensive for “whoops...our bad ‍”

Thing is...They didn't even do that. According to the email response I got it was more like "whoops...YOUR bad"

DanielJameS · Mar 21, 2018

dwwataz said:
Thing is...They didn't even do that. According to the email response I got it was more like "whoops...YOUR bad"

The STONES on these people!!

Huskymaniac · Mar 21, 2018

I got 2 tanks down to 2.0 now. I still can't for the life of me tell the difference between 2 and 4. One more tank to fix up tomorrow.

DanielJameS · Mar 21, 2018

Huskymaniac said:
I got 2 tanks down to 2.0 now. I still can't for the life of me tell the difference between 2 and 4. One more tank to fix up tomorrow.

I did this with copper power, but have you done a sort of baseline test for color? Curious to see if there’s a major difference in color between the mfg dose of coppersafe and a double dose in a small sample size of water because with the copper power it’s obvious.

Huskymaniac · Mar 21, 2018

Dont think the copper type makes a difference. To me atleast 2 and 4 are both orange. 1 to 2 is a change from yellow to orange.

DanielJameS · Mar 21, 2018

Huskymaniac said:
Dont think the copper type makes a difference. To me atleast 2 and 4 are both orange. 1 to 2 is a change from yellow to orange.

I wonder if that’s a result of the coppersafe then? I did these two as a control for copper power.

Top was .75ml per half gallon and the bottom was 1.5ml per half gallon (a double dose which should be around 4) and there’s a discernible difference

Huskymaniac · Mar 21, 2018

Looks the same to me, haha, especially if one is held a quarter inch off the chart and the other a half an inch.

DanielJameS · Mar 21, 2018

Huskymaniac said:
Looks the same to me, haha, especially if one is held a quarter inch off the chart and the other a half an inch.

Yeah see, that’s the problem. Me and my girlfriend argue about this all the time. I got a yellow clown goby she named “tangerine” and I say “he’s yellow maybe a golden rod”

And she says “nah he’s orange.”

All based on perception of color, horrible basis for keeping fish alive [emoji23]

Crashjack · Mar 22, 2018

I’m sure there are those who can really read an API copper test but have to believe that 90% of users are just guessing (like me). Has anybody compared the Hanna results to Chemectrics? The last time I used Coppersafe, I tested with Chemectrics. My results were always high (3-3.5 ppm if I remember correctly) but consistent. I assumed the test just measured high, but it might just be the bottle of Coppersafe.

I’m a little leery of Hanna. Punting my Phosphorus ULR and replacing with a NYOS Phosphate test kit was downright liberating. Admittedly, my Hanna Alkalinity checker is great, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. Anyway, I would like to use the rest of my Chemectrics tests before researching The Hanna Cu checker (I have to be 100% positive I’m not spending $$$ on another device that requires 4 minutes of test procedures for a checker that shuts-off in 3 minutes).

HotRocks · Mar 22, 2018

Crashjack said:
I’m sure there are those who can really read an API copper test but have to believe that 90% of users are just guessing (like me). Has anybody compared the Hanna results to Chemectrics? The last time I used Coppersafe, I tested with Chemectrics. My results were always high (3-3.5 ppm if I remember correctly) but consistent. I assumed the test just measured high, but it might just be the bottle of Coppersafe.

I’m a little leery of Hanna. Punting my Phosphorus ULR and replacing with a NYOS Phosphate test kit was downright liberating. Admittedly, my Hanna Alkalinity checker is great, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. Anyway, I would like to use the rest of my Chemectrics tests before researching The Hanna Cu checker (I have to be 100% positive I’m not spending $$$ on another device that requires 4 minutes of test procedures for a checker that shuts-off in 3 minutes).

I understand your reasoning, I don't personally own the chemetrics test kit, and at this point I think the best thing to do is patiently await for @Hanna Instruments to do their own testing, and see what be it the outcome. I had never used any hanna product until I purchased the Copper Checker. Just with the small amount of testing I have performed, I think and hope we will all be happy with their results.

That being said I will continue to share my results, on my upcoming testing of dosing a batch of fish in QT from start to finish. It is a bit delayed as 2 of the fish were backordered and my idol shipped yesterday, purple tang today. So as long as all goes well I should be able to start dosing by the beginning of the week.

I know there are a few others on the thread that have already ordered them, and look forward to their feedback as well. All of us who have made the investment, prior to the official word, know its at our own risk. Which is why when I received the tester, the very first thing I did was compare results to saltwater vs freshwater.

puffy127 · Mar 22, 2018

The chemetrics has the same problem as API, though - no color standard between 1 and 2 ppm, so you are left guessing.

joec · Mar 22, 2018

Mardel Coppernotsosafe.

I have a new 16oz bottle, free to a good home

ihavecrabs · Mar 22, 2018

DanielJameS said:
I wonder if that’s a result of the coppersafe then? I did these two as a control for copper power.

Top was .75ml per half gallon and the bottom was 1.5ml per half gallon (a double dose which should be around 4) and there’s a discernible difference

Closer to 2 than 4 in my eyes.. something that I was told that helped me with the color is squinting your eyes. The colors are actually easier to tell the difference.

Try it and let me know if that helped [emoji5]

Huskymaniac · Mar 22, 2018

Whats the guess on this one?

Crashjack · Mar 22, 2018

puffy127 said:
The chemetrics has the same problem as API, though - no color standard between 1 and 2 ppm, so you are left guessing.

True, but very easy to read. It is about as easy to read color-wise as any test I've seen (measuring anything). You can easily match a color and/or tell that it belongs between two colors that are next to each other on the scale. It includes actual samples of the different color measurements and the test is done in the same sort of bottle as the samples.