Dinoflagellates – Are You Tired Of Battling Altogether?

[reeferfoxx]

Didnt think about this. Been planning to pull from sump when the lights are off. But maybe pulling from the DT when the lights are off is a better solution? Or when lights off are they free floating everywhere so it doesnt matter.

Not all dinos free float. Some creep down into sandbeds.

 

[Paullawr]

I wasn't trying to argue with you, just discussing. You may be right that they are being passed around more than they used to be passed around due to the higher numbers of systems experiencing dino outbreaks.

Easy tiger....

Neither was I. I just didn't quite understand your disagreement when you said pretty much what I did.

Yes we know they are in the sea and certainly in most if not all systems by now.

Its possible they are being introduced to older tanks but being consumed far before they can multiply.

Its certainly easier to get a frag now than it was in the past. Originally my Lfs only sold wild harvested colonies brought in direct from Bali. The only pest I eve had was a gorilla crab. Most hitchhikers consisted of bandit crabs.

I just think the market has boomed and we have aimed for that ideal low nutrient system we are told we should have. Sadly it doesn't mimic nature. Our tanks are starved and low nutrients whilst the ocean has low dissolved organics but still a constant supply of nutrition being take up my the microfauna.

I've certainly learned low numbers are not the best we were once told. Then again neither are high.

 

[zachxlutz]

Easy tiger....

Why? We're all friends here... It's fun to talk about this stuff. Let's get back to topic. I was disagreeing with what you said about dipping fish/coral in chlorine or not buying from stores that have dinos. I think the proper approach is to have established systems with proper nutrient balances and diverse microfauna to outgrow the dinos.

 

[Paullawr]

Oh the chlorine bit.... Ah makes sense.

No i wouldn't recommend it. Though in a thread it was tested and as far as I know was successful. At what end though I couldn't say.

Yes established systems seema to be the order of the day. Again something we are rushing with the help of bacterial potions and instant sand cycling etc....

 

[Paullawr]

Ostreopsis. Its a bare bottom tank. I removed the sand bed a while back.

What size UV are you running.

 

[sfin52]

An undersized uv and running water through it too fast won’t kill enough or at all if flow is to fast.

 

[sfin52]

Bleach is a bad idea. A very bad idea and doesn’t work. It doesn’t solve the problem.

 

[Paullawr]

Hmm OK I could say it did solve the problem during a trial on this very forum....

But I'm not for a moment suggesting this. What I aim suggesting is that a coral dip is required.

The problem won't develop if doesn't exist in the first place.

The only paper I've read on the subject was around a way of disinfecting shipments due to them transferring strains around the globe. One trial involved chlorine and a bubbler.

 

[Paullawr]

What I would like to see is a coral rx variant that worked. Coral rx incidentally is a disinfectant as is iodine.

 

[Paullawr]

I like many others would like not to have to deal with this blight. As they say prevention is better than cure.

Still we are where we are. So now we need to ensure that stable environment which used to be the number one referenced thing in this hobby is back to being no 1 rather than out new found obsession with shooting for undectable levels.

One good thing will come of this though. The industry listens to what we want.
If we want zero nitrates the industry provided.

If we want hang on the back Chaeto reactors, we got it.

If we don't want to see our test tube react to the smallest particle of phosphate we have the technology to do it.

If we want lower cost lighting, we got LEDs. Designed to provide blue and white light.
When we complained about that we got full spectrum.

So now what we want is a way to keep the tank nutrients from running a mock but kept and detectable levels.

I'm pretty sure actually there is a phosphate remover that won't remove more than 0.03 though cannot recall what it's called.

 

[Scheel78]

Can I get an ID on this? I think it is Prorocentrum lima.

 

[fishbox]

I think the proper approach is to have established systems with proper nutrient balances and diverse microfauna to outgrow the dinos.

What is suggested to do to add diverse microfauna? Dr Tim's?

 

[Beardo]

Can I get an ID on this? I think it is Prorocentrum lima.

I would say large cell amphidinium

 

[reeferfoxx]

What is suggested to do to add diverse microfauna? Dr Tim's?

Bottle bacteria won't necessarily help with micro fauna. Piece of live rock, fiji mud, and nutrients will help.

 

[fishbox]

Bottle bacteria won't necessarily help with micro fauna. Piece of live rock, fiji mud, and nutrients will help.

I thought fiji mud was just minerals

 

[reeferfoxx]

I thought fiji mud was just minerals

Well it was pulled from the ocean floor in Fiji. So you get minerals and all the other good stuff. Watching a few youtube videos on it, and some people had worms in theirs.

 

[sfin52]

Also if you have a friend with out Dino bloom in the tank some of their nast water from a water change will contain micro fauna.

 

[sfin52]

It may not be good enough, ostreopsis are known to enter the water column at night but may not be traveling through the sump in a large enough quantity for the UV to make a dent. I had great success in knocking back the ostreopsis dinos with my UV pump located in the display. Once I had the ostreopsis under control, I moved the UV to the sump. This, along with nutrient balancing, cured my tank of ostreopsis dinoflagellates.

Part of the reason not a whole end in skimmers either.

 

[Scheel78]

I would say large cell amphidinium

Any idea how to tackle it?

 

[fishbox]

Well it was pulled from the ocean floor in Fiji. So you get minerals and all the other good stuff. Watching a few youtube videos on it, and some people had worms in theirs.

Sounds like a winner. Thanks for the help. I think I have a winning leg on my dinos but still would like to add some biodiversity.